UK captains of industry have charity night where they sexually assault young female 'hostesses'

[dessiato]

Not enough girls go into the sport which treats women as ornaments for men. It’s a real mystery.

I've been in the sport, I raced single seaters, rally and saloon cars all as a privateer. I have a friend who was a grid girl, and I've met others. You are out of touch with the modern reality of the sport. Insiders have a lot of respect for all the girls, whatever job they are doing. 30/40 years ago what you say was true. It isn't now.

 

[Gromit]

Not enough girls go into the sport which treats women as ornaments for men. It’s a real mystery.

[insert some joke along the lines of men getting a head start because faster female drivers are still trying to park when the race starts]

 

[DotCommunist]

speculated on this one over snooker before- theres no actual requirement to be a male to win trophies/ranking at the snooker. But theres very few women snooker champions. I'd have to google. One conclusion was that snooker clubs/venues are often quite blokey spaces. I'm still not sure thats the be al and end all- and snooker isn't a drastically expensive sport so its not that...

To become professional from a sporting hobby like racing takes cash as well as time. You’re not going to find many middle to upper class girls being pushed into go carts when horse riding is seen as both more feminine whilst projecting status.

 

[kabbes]

speculated on this one over snooker before- theres no actual requirement to be a male to win trophies/ranking at the snooker. But theres very few women snooker champions. I'd have to google. One conclusion was that snooker clubs/venues are often quite blokey spaces. I'm still not sure thats the be al and end all- and snooker isn't a drastically expensive sport so its not that...

See earlier answer:

It’s how we work as people. Our decision making is based on having models in our head for who we are, models of how people like us behave and then a set of defaults to map one into the other. Every time we want to disobey the model, it’s a stressful process and it comes at an emotional price.


Yes, [people] have agency. But they only have agency to the extent that they identify where the decision points lie rather than react in accordance to their pre-formed behaviour model.

We don’t go round constantly making decisions on every situation that we ever meet. We quite literally would be unable to function. We follow our model until we notice there is something that needs cognition.

 

[bimble]

I've been in the sport, I raced single seaters, rally and saloon cars all as a privateer.

Is that like a pirate but with cars?

 

[ddraig]

Is that like a pirate but with cars?

i think it means someone with enough money to piss about with cars and enter races rather than being part of a team

 

[littlebabyjesus]

speculated on this one over snooker before- theres no actual requirement to be a male to win trophies/ranking at the snooker. But theres very few women snooker champions. I'd have to google. One conclusion was that snooker clubs/venues are often quite blokey spaces. I'm still not sure thats the be al and end all- and snooker isn't a drastically expensive sport so its not that...

Can't remember her name but the multi women's world champ tried her hand against the men a couple of years ago. Won a couple of matches but seems to have stopped now. Hard to judge too much as so few women play snooker. In snooker clubs the vast majority of women there play pool not snooker.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

speculated on this one over snooker before- theres no actual requirement to be a male to win trophies/ranking at the snooker. But theres very few women snooker champions. I'd have to google. One conclusion was that snooker clubs/venues are often quite blokey spaces. I'm still not sure thats the be al and end all- and snooker isn't a drastically expensive sport so its not that...

I agree it carries into other (most?) sports which is why I was careful to say racing in my post; I’m not an expert on horses though - horse racing is mainly male jockeys isn’t it? I was probably thinking of show jumping.

 

[DotCommunist]

See earlier answer:

yes, I can see that. Little Jimm, 9 years old, spends all his free time playing pool/snooker with an uncle or what have you. Destined for the crucible and his mates wouldn't find it odd. Little jayne at the snooker club getting the bug that early- an oddity, the reactions (however well meaning) from older people there re-enforcing the sense of unusualness, your mates think its odd and possibly ma's not keen on it too... process of socialisation. And before that even, would you even contemplate it or would your 9 yer old consciousness not have just relegated it into 'not girls stuff' and without being explicitly told that, without even expressing the thought in your own head. hmm.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Even with snooker there’s a class element to it. You get the occasional gifted genius but for most it’s practice, practice, practice - either by installing a professional snooker table at home or by constantly being at a club. Proles do become professional at it though, like football, as it’s way less investment than becoming serious about motor racing.

 

[dessiato]

i think it means someone with enough money to piss about with cars and enter races rather than being part of a team

This. Money doesn't last long though.

 

[mojo pixy]

Insiders have a lot of respect for all the girls, whatever job they are doing. 30/40 years ago what you say was true. It isn't now.

If adult females in motorpsort are routinely referred to as girls (either with or without the definite article) then I for one would query a lot of respect. This might be a slip on your part, but even so.

 

[DotCommunist]

Even with snooker there’s a class element to it. You get the occasional gifted genius but for most it’s practice, practice, practice - either by installing a professional snooker table at home or by constantly being at a club. Proles do become professional at it though, like football, as it’s way less investment than becoming serious about motor racing.

Here's one for you. Steve Davis in a dusty-room retirment speech mentioned how his father had died and and so on, the years in the game etc. It struck me as an armchair psychologist. You've won everything twice and three times. You are a legend in the game, an elder statesman. Only once your father had gone did you think now is the time to formally lay down my cue. Theres probably more to it than thaat simple observation but there you go

 

[dessiato]

Even with snooker there’s a class element to it. You get the occasional gifted genius but for most it’s practice, practice, practice - either by installing a professional snooker table at home or by constantly being at a club. Proles do become professional at it though, like football, as it’s way less investment than becoming serious about motor racing.

When I was invited to play pool for Yorkshire my coach was a very feminine woman. She was also a referee. Women are the exception still, but they are breaking down the barriers, albeit very slowly.

 

[dessiato]

If adult females in motorpsort are routinely referred to as girls (either with or without the definite article) then I for one would query a lot of respect. This might be a slip on your part, but even so.

"Girls" in the same way that the male mechanics and other male pit crew are "the boys."

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Here's one for you. Steve Davis in a dusty-room retirment speech mentioned how his father had died and and so on, the years in the game etc. It struck me as an armchair psychologist. You've won everything twice and three times. You are a legend in the game, an elder statesman. Only once your father had gone did you think now is the time to formally lay down my cue. Theres probably more to it than thaat simple observation but there you go

Beckham had a pushy parent also. I guess it paid off if selling your childhood down the river is worth the subsequent, but by no means guaranteed, success and cash windfall.

 

[mojo pixy]

"Girls" in the same way that the male mechanics and other male pit crew are "the boys."

OK then you can have that one.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Give up your childhood for social mobility.

 

[bimble]

The cars thing starts really early I imagine, with small boys* getting given toy ones whilst girls get to dress dolls.
*not all boys ..

 

[Magnus McGinty]

The cars thing starts really early I imagine, with small boys* getting given toy ones whilst girls get to dress dolls.
*not all boys ..

I’m very up for letting my son find his own way and play with whatever toys he asks for - his favourite thing is dinosaurs and he play acts aggressiveness being one. I wondered where this may have come from then remembered that the male child in Peppa Pig plays with dinosaurs.
It’s almost impossible to avoid. Turning the TV off might have helped though.

 

[kenny g]

We were given a dolls house as a couple of brothers in non gender normative 70s household without a TV. Used to play cowboys and indians using lego men running through the house. Nature is often stronger than nurture.

 

[weepiper]

the drawing board: Dear Podium Girl

 

[Santino]

"Girls" in the same way that the male mechanics and other male pit crew are "the boys."

It's not the same.

 

[Santino]

We were given a dolls house as a couple of brothers in non gender normative 70s household without a TV. Used to play cowboys and indians using lego men running through the house. Nature is often stronger than nurture.

Science.

 

[Santino]

Pickman's model why have you Liked so many posts by sexist bigots? Disappointing.

 

[Wilf]

We were given a dolls house as a couple of brothers in non gender normative 70s household without a TV. Used to play cowboys and indians using lego men running through the house. Nature is often stronger than nurture.

'Did you see That's Life last night? They had a carrot shaped like a ...'
- NO, WE'VE JUST GOT FUCKIN' LEGO!

 

[pocketscience]

I’m very up for letting my son find his own way

I recall you being fairly indignant and righteous (am I right in thinking you are citizen66?) Are you like that with everyone you engage with now days?

 

[kabbes]

We were given a dolls house as a couple of brothers in non gender normative 70s household without a TV. Used to play cowboys and indians using lego men running through the house. Nature is often stronger than nurture.

Alternatively: socialisation is more than just what toys you are given.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

I recall you being fairly indignant and righteous (am I right in thinking you are citizen66?) Are you like that with everyone you engage with now days?

You only know I’m that person because I told people I was but it’s against board rules to keep referring to me as an old moniker. Plus I don’t see why it’s relevant.

 

[Pickman's model]

Pickman's model why have you Liked so many posts by sexist bigots? Disappointing.