UK captains of industry have charity night where they sexually assault young female 'hostesses'
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Poot
My wife thinks I work too hard
Oh yeah, like all those other times that men are paraded for our amusement. Like... Well, the Chippendales. Or, well, someone mentioned a yoghurt ad that I haven't seem. Hmmm. Does Bez count?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
lets see where this has been done. I was under the impression that they'll no longer be using the local modelling agencies to stck them with grid girls as they no longer find that role appropriate.
Is this being forced to cover up? Are the PC Police, thin, ascetic looking sorts who do not understand sensuality and the refined things of love and art and what it means to be alive- are they on there way round to force these beautful flowers into ugly sackloth on the altar of prudery?
no.
How do you think “education” works?
Clue: it’s not by telling people not to do something and then carrying on doing it yourself.
And I note that once again, you are focussing on the “covering up” aspect in spite of me pointing out that this would still be a problem even if everybody involved was covered head to toe.
Probably to three but I wouldn't trust him after that.
Poot
My wife thinks I work too hard
What is the problem with this picture? Is it the women?
No, it's not the women.
Is it what the women are wearing?
No, I think they look very nice.
Is it the man in the helmet?
No. Not even.
Is it the fact that this picture was taken at all?
Yes! That is the problem!
Is that any help?
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Isn't that part of the fantasy? That he's physically active. A man who can put up shelves. The flimsy reasons to take his top off are just as flimsy as movie girls' need to shower for the sake of the movie's plot.
Grid girls aren't always totally passive. In fact I think the passive holding of umbrellas is less demeaning than the standing in a line to applaud the victors into the victory room part of their job. Always makes me cringe.
no-no
Small robot you know
Wouldn't it be the men that are the problem?
On the one hand you're saying that social pressure amounts to coercion, which is pretty patronising to women.
On the other you're saying that the reason or a large part of the reason, men behave like arseholes is because they also have no control in the face of messages from society that tell them that women are sex objects.
I think people have far more agency than you're giving them credit for.
bimble
floofy
Standing in a line applauding the men = not passive. Righto Gromit.
mojo pixy
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Wow, one man worth eight women. I'm sure there are better exchange rates elsewhere.
At least he has the courtesy to doff his cap.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
It happens more than you realise because you personally obviously aren't looking for it or care about it.
Kinder Bueno Hunks photocall
Which men?
It’s society itself that is the problem. Its assumptions and structures. That stuff needs dismantling. It’s not about personal failings.
My god.
No, it is not patronising. It’s how we work as people. Our decision making is based on having models in our head for who we are, models of how people like us behave and then a set of defaults to map one into the other. Every time we want to disobey the model, it’s a stressful process and it comes at an emotional price.
Yes, they have agency. But they only have agency to the extent that they identify where the decision points lie rather than react in accordance to their pre-formed behaviour model.
We don’t go round constantly making decisions on every situation that we ever meet. We quite literally would be unable to function. We follow our model until we notice there is something that needs cognition.
Bit of sympathy please. Those poor women have been SACKED AND BANNED! Human rights? Don't make me laugh, where's the UN when it really matters?
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
What is the problem with this picture? Is it the women?
No, it's not the women.
Is it what the women are wearing?
No, I think they look very nice.
Is it the man in the helmet?
No. Not even.
Is it the fact that this picture was taken at all?
Yes! That is the problem!
Is that any help?
It is, but I wonder why people think the solution to the problem is to get rid of the women.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
no woman no cry
Which bit of that photo would you change, if anything?
no-no
Small robot you know
ok, so the problem is the agreement between the models and their employers and the message it sends to everyone else.
I don't think we'll see eye to eye, the problem for me is that people are acting on that message or lettign it affect them and that's their responsibility.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
where it's always been
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Yeah they are actively employed to go oooh look how great they are. My aren't we impressed. Although most of the time they are going ooh look a camera. Play up to it quick.
no-no
Small robot you know
I'd ignore the photo and get on with my life.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Good. Fuck them traitors to feminism. Sell outs.
Easy to do, of course, if you don’t belong to the group marginalised by the objectification that the photo promotes.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
It is difficult to say because I am not responsible for anything that goes on within it, but you could make an argument to objecting to everything that is on it - the objectification of the women, the covering of the bloke in adverts from businesses (or rather the amount of money spent on putting those adverts on him), the waste of electricity represented by the light still being on etc.
To put it another way, I don't think the photo can suddenly be made acceptable by the people who were responsible for it editing the bits they were also responsible for off.
It’s all shit so none of it is worth changing, then?
no-no
Small robot you know
Easier than it is for others, it's not an impossible task though.
You put up a good solid argument kabbes, thanks
Not only is it not the case, but it’s impossible to imagine the genders being reversed without it changing the social dynamic of the set up. If roles were reversed, there would be like when the CEO goes and works on the shop floor for the day — the activity is all there just as it would be if he were a normal worker, but everybody still knows who the boss is.
Poot
My wife thinks I work too hard
Are you fucking joking?It happens more than you realise because you personally obviously aren't looking for it or care about it.
Kinder Bueno Hunks photocall
no-no
Small robot you know
Because not many girls join the karting circuit.
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One thing I've noticed, completely anecdotal so worthless but anyway....
Women on my facebook feed regularly post pics of actors or singers and then proceed to objectify them. Tom Hardy seems to be the hot shiz right now.
I rarely if ever see men doing the same. Not that I have an issue with either sex doing it but it doesn seem like men know very well it's not acceptable.
mojo pixy
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Ah well that's OK then. No problem, girls can just be decoration while the boys race.
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