The Liberal Democrats/Lliberals have been deprived of Thousands of Seats

[nino_savatte]

Just a note the Alternative Vote is not proportional, it's preferential.

No! Really?

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

Yes, really.

 

[ska invita]

Yep. And Nick Clegg wanted a ref on PR but agreed to AV to be part of the coalition. So it’s their fault.

one of the most pathetic things to have happened in british politics ever
my memory of it is that lib dems went into coalition on the basis there would be a PR referendum - that was their one big condition. it was only over time that when cameron watered it down they should've (threatened to and if didnt get their way then) left the coalition and brought down the government. instead clegg now works for facebook and nothing changed.

 

[nino_savatte]

Yes, really.

You're not familiar with irony or sarcasm by the looks of things.

 

[brogdale]

yes, exactly.

So why are you so exercised by the impact of 1 electoral system on 1 Parliamentary party?

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

You're not familiar with irony or sarcasm by the looks of things.

No.

 

[tim]

Never forget? I never knew!

Was it so another LibDem could shoot it?

The Labrador was called originally called Gladstone but upon arrival in Bucharest was rechristened Corbu ( that man's tentacles are far reaching,) and was appointed as an honorary colonel in the Romanian army.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

I don't vote Liberal Democrat, but I do feel sorry for them

See my previous post on this thread.

 

[DotCommunist]

one of the most pathetic things to have happened in british politics ever
my memory of it is that lib dems went into coalition on the basis there would be a PR referendum - that was their one big condition. it was only over time that when cameron watered it down they should've (threatened to and if didnt get their way then) left the coalition and brought down the government. instead clegg now works for facebook and nothing changed.

my memory is the tories having a deal to back AV full throatedly. I, a mere pleb who didn't even go to a named school, knew the tories were going to fuck them on that and they duly did.

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

Your school didn't have a name?

 

[ska invita]

my memory is the tories having a deal to back AV full throatedly. I, a mere pleb who didn't even go to a named school, knew the tories were going to fuck them on that and they duly did.

you're right i was wrong

"
The initial Conservative–Liberal Democrat coalition agreement, dated 11 May 2010, detailed the issues which had been agreed between the two parties before they committed to entering into coalition. On the issue of an electoral reform referendum, it stated:

The parties will bring forward a Referendum Bill on electoral reform, which includes provision for the introduction of the Alternative Vote in the event of a positive result in the referendum, as well as for the creation of fewer and more equal sized constituencies. Both parties will whip their Parliamentary Parties in both Houses to support a simple majority referendum on the Alternative Vote, without prejudice to the positions parties will take during such a referendum.[23]"

 

[nino_savatte]

my memory is the tories having a deal to back AV full throatedly. I, a mere pleb who didn't even go to a named school, knew the tories were going to fuck them on that and they duly did.

The agreement and the subsequent referendum rudely exposed the limits of Lib Dem thinking.

 

[tim]

Which Jeremy Thorpe had shot.

No, he gave Ceacescu Gladstone to get him out of Thorpe's gun sights.

 

[steeplejack]

The Liberal Democrats/Lliberals have been deprived of thousands of seats. If seats were allocated along percentage lines then since the war the Liberals/Liberal Democrats would have been deprived of thousands of seats. the Liberal Democrats alone since 1992 have been deprived of 791 seats, that's a whole parliament full!. The most robbed political party in Britain.

good.

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

Why?

 

[steeplejack]

Because I absolutely detest Liberal Democrats, their austerity-enabling self-serving hypocrisy, their piety, their fucking lies, their shamelessness, their fucking FOCUS leaflets.

Their mooted revival on July 4th is a very unfortunate by product of the coming Tory wipe-out.

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

Surely, that would describe more parties than the Liberal Democrats?

 

[steeplejack]

Surely, that would describe more parties than the Liberal Democrats?

The Liberal Democrats are the subject of the thread, started by you.

Probably you’re some troll / chatbot anyway.

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

I would say it's the system that needs changing not relying on a benign dictatorship Just hoping the nice guys get to be our dictators or if we elect this party with this political system everything will be perfect afterwards, it won't!

 

[tim]

Indeed.

Why did AV need a referendum when the Tories simply legislated to change mayoral election systems to FPTP in the hope of improving their chances? It wasn’t even a manifesto commitment.

The Tories didn't support it but allowing a referendum was a bribe to entice the Liberals into coalition.

 

[Silas Loom]

The Tories didn't support it but allowing a referendum was a bribe to entice the Liberals into coalition.

Yes, I realise that. I’m only saying that the subsequent change in electoral systems without any referendum proves that the LDs might well have pushed for the much more valuable bribe of AV legislation without a referendum, given the leverage they had at the time.

 

[tim]

Yes, I realise that. I’m only saying that the subsequent change in electoral systems without any referendum proves that the LDs might well have pushed for the much more valuable bribe of AV legislation without a referendum, given the leverage they had at the time.

Too liberal to push too hard.