UK captains of industry have charity night where they sexually assault young female 'hostesses'

[redsquirrel]

Perhaps if you put your thinking head on, instead of the one you have on, and consider this. If the first woman who was groped had slapped the groper's face, and declared loudly 'Do no put your hand on my...', it may well have changed the behaviour of the evening. By remaining silent they did neither themselves, or women in general, any good.

Late to the party, but just caught up with this.

Urgh, you utter prick. Absolutely repulsive.

 

[hegley]

The cars thing starts really early I imagine, with small boys* getting given toy ones whilst girls get to dress dolls.
*not all boys ..

Depressingly early it seems when it comes to career choices: Children's career choices fixed by gender as early as age 4

 

[kabbes]

Depressingly early it seems when it comes to career choices: Children's career choices fixed by gender as early as age 4

That made me well up a bit, actually.

 

[Athos]

That made me well up a bit, actually.

You big girl.

 

[kabbes]

Depressingly early it seems when it comes to career choices: Children's career choices fixed by gender as early as age 4

By the way, nothing to do with this thread except in terms of comment on socialisation generally, but that video led me to this one, which is properly depressing.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Perhaps if you put your thinking head on, instead of the one you have on, and consider this. If the first woman who was groped had slapped the groper's face, and declared loudly 'Do no put your hand on my...', it may well have changed the behaviour of the evening. By remaining silent they did neither themselves, or women in general, any good.

You really are a nasty piece of work aren't you?

 

[SpookyFrank]

I spent 14 years in the army, and attended many alcohol fueled events where women, both as guests and waitresses were present, and the sort of behaviour as in the OP did not happen. It would not have been tolerated for a second. Anyone behaving like that would have been ejected, and been answering for it on the next working morning. Funny that, those neanderthal squaddies completely understood what was acceptable, yet their so called betters do not.

I guess all those people who've told me about getting groped and hassled by gangs of pissed squaddies were talking out of their arseholes then. And to be fair, they were all asking for it anyway right? For being unwilling to start a physical confrontation with a highly trained people slaughtering specialist? They should've just grown some balls and fought their way out of there right?

 

[Magnus McGinty]

He’s been banned from the thread so will be blissfully unaware of any subsequent fallout.

 

[kabbes]

Another fascinating video, this one

 

[bimble]

^ that one's really good, yes. That's from this recent bbc show i think (if you haven't seen it worth a look) BBC Two - No More Boys and Girls: Can Our Kids Go Gender Free?

 

[SpookyFrank]

He’s been banned from the thread so will be blissfully unaware of any subsequent fallout.

Like a dog banned from its own vomit.

 

[Sue]

Depressingly early it seems when it comes to career choices: Children's career choices fixed by gender as early as age 4

At four, my nephew came out with 'boys are doctors, girls are nurses' when my sister suggested he swap dress-up outfits with one of the girls at nursery.

He'd certainly never heard that at home -- my sister was horrified...

 

[Pickman's model]

No my claim is that its a crass industry that will not hire people unless they are the right age and looks.

rereading the thread - sorry, accused you of having said something the nefandous no-no did. apologies.

 

[kenny g]

If children are aware of and respond to the culture around them then it should be seen as a good sign. The point in parents is to help them rise above it rather than be horrified by their children reflecting it.

 

[Pickman's model]

Santino i've liked 264 posts on this thread, listed in this table by poster in descending order. could you enlarge on the issue you wanted to raise?

e2a: just liked equationgirl's post 1359, so my table's already out of date

 

[equationgirl]

There is no defensible 'but'. Being serious for a moment, rather than the 'piss taking' posts above, it is never acceptable to lay hands on another person without their consent. I was taught this by my father, and have followed it all my life. No means no, not maybe or yes.

Men are physically stronger, this generates the assault; women get ripped to bits in court, this engenders the pathetic conviction rate for such offences. We had a case some years back in Scotland, where a rape victim had to hold up in court, the underwear she had been wearing the night of the attack. Shortly afterwards she took her own life. Until there is law in place to protect women, the conviction rates will remain low. That is a disgrace.

There are already laws in place to protect women. What law do you want - a law that says 'don't be a rapist'? We already have that.

 

[keybored]

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Santino i've liked 264 posts on this thread, listed in this table by poster in descending order. could you enlarge on the issue you wanted to raise?

Listed in descending order of the ones you liked the most <3

 

[keybored]

i think it means someone with enough money to piss about with cars and enter races rather than being part of a team

Also not good enough to get sponsorship.

 

[equationgirl]

And Sasaferrato did it ever occur to you that the groper's face wasn't slapped because of the fear he might do something worse if she did? That she'd lose her job? That she was frightened?

There are countless reasons why it didn't happen. You're not a woman. You've not ever been in that situation. You won't ever be in that situation. So stop making out you know it would all have been better if they'd only done X, Y or Z.

 

[Sue]

If children are aware of and respond to the culture around them then it should be seen as a good sign. The point in parents is to help them rise above it rather than be horrified by their children reflecting it.

Which is why my sister then patiently explained that boys and girls could both do whatever jobs and reminded him that their GP was a woman and the doctor he saw in hospital was a woman and Uncle Jim is a nurse etc etc.

So you know, it's perfectly possible to be horrified by something as well as helping a child reflect on it .

 

[Sue]

And Sasaferrato did it ever occur to you that the groper's face wasn't slapped because of the fear he might do something worse if she did? That she'd lose her job? That she was frightened?

There are countless reasons why it didn't happen. You're not a woman. You've not ever been in that situation. You won't ever be in that situation. So stop making out you know it would all have been better if they'd only done X, Y or Z.

As well as the obvious why the fuck should you have to.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

He still can’t hear any of you.

 

[Pickman's model]

He still can’t hear any of you.

yeh but never mind, eh.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

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Santino i've liked 264 posts on this thread, listed in this table by poster in descending order. could you enlarge on the issue you wanted to raise?

e2a: just liked equationgirl's post 1359, so my table's already out of date

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[HoratioCuthbert]

Did you actually make that table?

 

[Pickman's model]

Did you actually make that table?

Yeh I was bored at work

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

We were given a dolls house as a couple of brothers in non gender normative 70s household without a TV. Used to play cowboys and indians using lego men running through the house. Nature is often stronger than nurture.

Yeah? I used to stick on my uncle's bike leathers, and we would reinact the scene from T2 my friend would be Sarah collapsing in the lift and I would be like "come with me if you want to live" in a flat weirdly full of single mothers and daughters. We also knew the script of The Lost Boys backwards. Gore is just more fun

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Nobody plays cowboys and indians via "nature". There's no cowboy gene. It just shows how pervasive cultural influences are and how much children pick up on them regardless of what their parents try to do.

 

[8115]

Nobody plays cowboys and indians via "nature". There's no cowboy gene. It just shows how pervasive cultural influences are and how much children pick up on them regardless of what their parents try to do.

That's a very big statement. You're completely denying the possibility that nature may be one of the factors that predispose boys to playing more aggressive games?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

That's a very big statement. You're completely denying the possibility that nature may be one of the factors that predispose boys to playing more aggressive games?

I said specifically what I said. Would you like to critique that?