Athos
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I'm not defending the fashion industry. I'm making the point that 'grid girls' don't serve the same function as models.
UK captains of industry have charity night where they sexually assault young female 'hostesses'
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I'm not defending the fashion industry. I'm making the point that 'grid girls' don't serve the same function as models.
mojo pixy
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Just to be clear, I'm not comparing the women doing this job to slaves, I'm saying that when society evolves some things go out the window and that's not always universally popular, even though it's ethically better.
butchersapron
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Of course it's true. This thread is replete with it. Your posts are. Reducing people down to what function they serve to meet your needs and then this becoming the wider way to view life and other people. If you haven't noticed the way this is becoming the increasingly normal way of viewing things then you must be going through life with your eyes shut or just being incredibly comfortable with this way of things.
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No longer being employed is not the same as banning.
As is their choice. But there’s a difference between that and employing someone as that.
Spymaster
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For the purpose of this thread "will not be used" seems pretty unequivocal.
Athos
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Why do you think they do? Does that choice exist in a vacuum? Has it always been thus? Is it the same everywhere?
no-no
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everyone is reduced down to their function while they're on the clock. It doesn't follow that you assume that's all there is to that person. Unlike some posters here that regard them as caricatures.
It becomes a wider way to view life for some people but I'm not convinced we need to restrict anyone's choices because of that, better to deal with the people who cross the line.
None of my posts imply these women are merely sex objects, i'm saying there's nothing wrong with being a sex object if that's what you want.
butchersapron
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Bit of clash here between the types arguing the contract based agreement stuff and them also arguing that stopping or not renewing a contract is some sort of violence.
Athos
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What if what an individual wants causes social ills?
no-no
Small robot you know
To attract a sexual partner? Have women always attempted to attract sexual partners? Yes, of course they have. So do men, people like to fuck.
Is it wrong for women to wear push up bras? Are they encouraging objectification?
butchersapron
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No they're not and no they don't have to be. You are explicitly arguing that they should be though and that there is nothing wrong with this. Why else make the case that there is nothing wrong with objectifying people? I think it has become a wider view for you - or you wouldn't be making such a juvenile argument - one, based of course on choices. And an incredibly context free series of choices of course. Why do i get the feeling that the only choice that counts here - despite the sales pitch - is yours?
butchersapron
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It's always the fucking hippys who are the worst.
Athos
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Women only ever wear push-up bras when trying to attract a sexual partner? And you didn't answer the other questions?
no-no
Small robot you know
I fully understand that this is F1 decision. They can employ who they like and they've obv decided this is the direction society is favouring. Makes sense for them to try to be popular.
I'm not convinced any of this is going to solve the problem though, which is the bad behaviour rather than the objectification going on inside peoples minds.
Pickman's model
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yeh cos that's really what i've said
no-no
Small robot you know
That's not what I said. They might wear them for other reasons but I'd say attracting a partner is pretty high on their list of reasons.
I missed the question about it happening in a vacuum. No it doesn't happen in a vacuum,society plays its part in applying pressure but so what? you still haven't made it clear why it's a problem for women to wear push up bras.
Athos
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What's the link between the two?
Pickman's model
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yeh well you wouldn't understand it if she did
bimble
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Did you say something interesting about why 'grid girls' are a good thing? I must have missed it.yeh cos that's really what i've said
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i didn't say anything about 'grid girls' being a good thing. or a bad thing, either.
here's a thought: why not actually read the thread before telling people what they're (not) doing
Athos
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When might it be a problem for women to wear push-up bras, do you think?
In bed. I can't imagine they are that comfortable and would potentially inhibit a decent nights kip.
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Starry Wisdom
when trying on other bras
littlebabyjesus
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There is a difference between banning and deciding not to have any more. The more hysterical posts here are talking about prohibition.
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Small robot you know
I'm arguing that they should be able to and yes choice is very important. The context and the environment these personal choices create aren't forcing anyone to do anything they don't want to. They might feel that pressure but there's no force.
bimble
floofy
Bore off. Do you disagree with me that there is an astonishing level of blindness on display here by the likes of nono sass etc who claim to be upset about women losing their jobs and see nothing else going on but the loss of these individuals' 'freedom' to be paid for standing around wearing hotpants at a men's sporting event.
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Small robot you know
Other peoples choice of underwear has fuck all to do with me.
butchersapron
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In a society run on the dull compulsion of economics to see a socialist endorsing this state of affairs and the only sensible thing to do is to objectify people is pretty shit.
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