Good idea, perhaps we should force women to wear black robes and cover their faces so they can’t be objectified at all ?
Alex
UK captains of industry have charity night where they sexually assault young female 'hostesses'
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Good idea, perhaps we should force women to wear black robes and cover their faces so they can’t be objectified at all ?
Alex
bemused
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What I find odd about this situation is why it is terribad for these sporting industries to use promotional models whilst the fashion industry who have repeatable been proven to abuse entire generations of young women get off scott free. Any industry that exists to sell to women parades children and size zero models in front of very wealthy, famous and influential people at shows and seem to get along with any issues.
dessiato
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If people would pay me I'd have no problem doing it. I take the attitude that Sam Fox took. If people are daft enought to pay, in her case 250k a year at her peak, I'm daft enough to let them.
no-no
Small robot you know
If someone wants to pay me then yeah why not?
bemused
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People will pay me not to. It is a win win
krtek a houby
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Would you not be worried about harassment, being groped etc?
crossthebreeze
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The fashion industry hasn't got off scot free. There's been longstanding organised feminist campaigns both within the fashion industry and against the fashion industry about the way it treats models (including girls under 16), and the message that using only very slim models (and children for adult clothing) sends out to women and girls. This has had some successes recently - with two of the companies that own a lot of the big French brands saying that they won't use size zero models or under 16s to model adult collections last year, for example. The problem is not solved completely yet however, and its a campaign that will be ongoing for some time.
On the other hand, i might be wrong, but I haven't heard anything except for very vague feminist grumbling about walk-on/grid girls before these decisions - I certainly don't thing there's been any kind of campaign or organised pressure. Its just a business decision. TV rights are becoming more important than ticket sales for many sports, and its not the image that the broadcasters want to promote anymore. And maybe they are thinking about the development of the sports, and getting more women and girls into it at all levels of playing, watching, behind the scenes. Because when you use women purely as ornaments like that it is giving women and girls the message that they won't be taken seriously in that industry (and lets face it its not just sport - I've seen plenty of horticulture industry adverts for weedkiller for example where they stick a random female model in a little black dress in the ad for no reason). Being made redundant is shit, so I feel a bit for the women involved (I'm sure the grid girls aren't going to be signing on anytime soon though) - and if the women want to fight it then fair play - but its a business decision, not the big bad feminists taking their jobs - and they don't have any more right to choose that work than I have the right to choose the work I'm being made redundant from. Its just been taken up more in the media because sexism and misogyny is a hot topic now.
Athos
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Societies limit individuals' freedoms (to those individuals' chagrin) all the time, for the social good. We don't let people manufacture crack, or practice as a doctor unqualified, or sell child porn, for instance. All of which are 'infringements' on personal liberty. It comes down to the question of: what is a proportionate response to the social ill that is the trivialisation and sexual objectification of women?
purenarcotic
Conveniently Pocket Sized
No.
bimble
floofy
I can't quite believe how many of these there are on here. Women: keep being 'grid girls' else next thing you'll be in burquas and it will be all your fault.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Nobody has been made redundant. The grid girls at each grand prix are models from local agencies. So they will continue to work as models in other areas.
This whole "oh the poor girls have just lost their jobs" is just whining from thick as shit blokes who are upset that they won't be able to look at pretty girls anymore.
Apart from the thousands of other places where this shit still happens daily of course.
This whole "oh the poor girls have just lost their jobs" is just whining from thick as shit blokes who are upset that they won't be able to look at pretty girls anymore.
Apart from the thousands of other places where this shit still happens daily of course.
I dunno. I'm finding this hitherto unseen rallying of support for women's jobs as heartwarming. I'm fully expecting the next picket line to be a very busy place.
ska invita
back on the other side
Well the Sun has reason to be outraged as page 3, plus the Suns more general sexist attitudes, looks increasingly unacceptable. Only two options for them: double down or ship out
First they came for Benny Hill, but I did not speak for I did not watch Benny Hill...
no-no
Small robot you know
It'd happen if I had the sort of body that attracted gropers. But that'd be an issue to be dealt with, the gropers should be the ones being reprimanded not me for doing my job.
First they came for Benny Hill and I did not speak out because it was shit anyway.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh cos obvs the decision was taken in the interests of equality and - although not publicised - the people who run formula 1 won't be hiring prostitutes any more, indeed the're very keen to eradicate sexism from their industry.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh cos only pretty people get groped
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
I don't think gropers discriminate as to which body they decide to assault. It's opportunistic.
no-no
Small robot you know
Maybe not, but as a rule people who make their money modelling are conventionally good looking. If i were on the grid in hotpants in this body? I doubt very much many people would be copping a feel.....twas a self deprecatory joke.
Two people focused on that part of my post rather than the answer to your question, that the gropers should be dealt with rather than reducing the job roles available to women.
It's the same logic again...
men behave badly
it's because women are objectified
hide the women
rather than
men behave badly
these men are arseholes
punish them
I'm not saying it's going to be burqa by the back door or whatever strawman bullshit some are trying to spin. I'm saying that this has been tried in other places, and it hasn't had any effect on men's attitudes as far as i can tell.
Athos
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Of course the bad apples should be dealt with. But so should the barrel in which they're allowed to fester. It's nothing to do with hiding women; it's about shifting how men view women i.e. as something more than eye-candy.
crossthebreeze
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No it was taken in the interests of business which in this case is about attracting women and family audiences, partly on the behest of broadcasters who provide a lot of the cash to the industry. So in this case business interests coincide with the interests of sex equality (though I'm sure behind the scenes there is still plenty of misogyny)- but it boils down to money, not feminist ideals.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i thought my sarcasm evident
no-no
Small robot you know
ok, so should other modelling jobs become a thing of the past too? All the criticisms against grid girls apply to other modelling work too don't they?
Down to feminism as the driver of social change surrounding attitudes to women in wider society which in turn drives what broadcasters/advertisers want to be associated with.
Athos
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No. Models are there to show off clothes; grid 'girls' are there as pure decoration. It's a big difference (not that the fashion industry doesn't need to change, too, of course e.g. size 0).
no-no
Small robot you know
But this presumes that the problem is the objectification rather than the bad behaviour. Isn't that essentially prudishness? What's wrong with objectification in and of itself?
For some it might tip them into becoming some sort of abusive arsehole but that's no reason to do away with the objectification.
Some people can't handle their beer, no reason to return to prohibition.
It's also stepping all over the people who don't mind being objectified and are having a wail of a time travelling the world while doing so.
bemused
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Whilst I have no doubt people have campaigned against the widespread abuse of women in the fashion industry and I wish them luck, let's be honest the fashion industry has come out of it unscathed.
Louis Vuitton who about six months ago decided that using children and pressuring women into damaging their bodies to work for them may not be a good idea. It didn't generate a fraction of the coverage that the 'are you beach body ready' tube campaign did, or the choice to stop attractive women escorting unattractive men to a darts board has. Where were the high profile celebrities urging their fans to boycott these companies? They weren't because they were being paid fortunes to shill it.
I'm pretty cynical here.
no-no
Small robot you know
I don't see this difference at all. The models are still selected based on their looks, it's arguable as to whether the clothes look better on them but there's certainly a lot of objectification going on in the modelling world.
There are other jobs, backing dancers, girl bands, acting...at what point are these people objectified? Once they're good looking enough? Once we decide their job requires no talent or has no other purpose than objectification?
Why is it wrong to objectify people?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Nobody has banned grid girls.
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