Transphobes gunning hard for 'paedophilia' angle all of a sudden

[StakerOne]

Blocking someone from speaking in a particular venue happens all the time, and is only controversial here because it's a contested space. Fascists are fairly broadly barred from speaking in LGBT pubs (which amazingly do not suddenly become fascist themselves when doing so).

Stabbings and shootings happen all the time.

But anyway. Blocking. I'm not sure you've got a great big whopping list of left wingers who've been physically opposed or cancelled from speaking at university debates.

As for "LGBT" venues. It's LGBTQIA+ ya fucking bigot!!!!! Been to loads of them, not much politics going on, but clearly I missed all the meetings that would have been about LGBTQIA+ rights. But there would have still been "fascists" at those meetings, the gay, lesbian, trans ones who had a common interest in protecting LGBTQIA+ rights. Or are you saying that you have to be straight to be a fascist?

Communists don't get to go on Newsnight for the same reason the far right doesn't get a look in - A handful of elected councilors and that's it.

If you got one MP elected, you'd be on Newsnight. Not much, but they would be on every now and then.

Man City fans will probably get a kicking if they walk into the Trafford on match day and start singing the Munich song.

• They would have bought tickets for the Man United end . That's something they're not entitled to do.
• It would have been a public order offence.
• Kathleen Stock was invited to speak at the venue, her presence there would not have been a public order offence.

She can write books, have newspaper columns and go on the telly whenever she likes - in fact her voice is fucking everywhere. She is not in any realistic sense censored, quite the opposite - her voice is materially privileged through extraordinary media access.

The reason why our brightest minds need to debate in universities is totally lost on you.

Both sides need to test their arguments and there is no better way of doing it than debate against people who have the totally opposite position. Everyone wins if that happens. Because you never know, something might be said that would inspire someone to find a way that appeases everyone to the point we're all moist between the legs.

How can we improve anything, if we can't critisize with those who may disagree?

would counter that expecting to be able to deliver hate speeches unhindered whenever and wherever you like suggests a seriously entitled attitude.

We have hate speech laws. We are in what is supposed to be a democracy. There's a democratic framework for people to get the laws updated if they believe they are wrong.

What has this woman said that comes close to being hate given that she hasn't been carted off by the cops and charged with anything?

 

[Tanya1982]

Universities and schools, like LGBT venues and Newsnight, are allowed to invite or not invite any speaker they like. Is that a particularly controversial view?

 

[StakerOne]

Suddenly Twitter is full of people who 'know' there are kids identifying as cats because they know teachers, you know!

Going to ask my oldest, who goes to the most woke, LGBTQ+ North London school which must surely have its cats if anywhere does, how many trans species pupils there are there.

(Sorry if this has been posted before)

A 13-year-old girl was called “despicable” by her teacher at a Church of England school in the United Kingdom on Friday after asking a classmate how she identifies as a cat.The schoolgirl and her friend were reprimanded by their teacher at Rye College in East Sussex at the end of an eighth-grade “life education” class, where they were told that they could “be who you want to be and how you identify is up to you,” The Telegraph reported.Following the lesson one of the students asked a classmate: “How can you identify as a cat when you’re a girl?”

 

[Tanya1982]

Isn’t the New York Post basically The Sun? An alleged reprimand in a small school in rural East Sussex seems a bit out of their range. They should stick to headless bodies in topless bars - it’s what their readers are looking for.

 

[Dystopiary]

Oh God.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

OK sorry we're not going to have any more of this, I've permabanned him from everything.

 

[Shechemite]

OK sorry we're not going to have any more of this, I've permabanned him from everything.

I’ts good to see something positive come out from all of this

 

[Orang Utan]

OK sorry we're not going to have any more of this, I've permabanned him from everything.

Aw, and before I got the chance to post this:

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Aw, and before I got the chance to post this:

and before i got the chance to post this

 

[Serge Forward]

Baa baa green sheep all over again... in other words, more made up shite.

 

[Ax^]

was wondering were the rye college story would make an appearance on here and to see it was stalker one well what can I say I'm shocked ...

yay to the banhammer

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

OK sorry we're not going to have any more of this, I've permabanned him from everything.

Centralised power isn't all bad.

 

[Cloo]

Literally after I pointed out that the recording shows that no one involved is actually identifying as a cat

 

[SpineyNorman]

He'll probably go and blow up a vaccine research facility or a hospital that does gender affirming care now he hasn't got urban to distract him.

 

[Orang Utan]

Literally after I pointed out that the recording shows that no one involved is actually identifying as a cat

even if they had, they were probably just winding up an easily baited teacher

 

[xenon]

Literally after I pointed out that the recording shows that no one involved is actually identifying as a cat

Nick Ferrari, yeah I know, was going quite surreal with this earlier. It was as the cliche, like something from brass eye. A fictitious boy who identifies as a horse and only answers by neighing.

 

[Ax^]

Literally after I pointed out that the recording shows that no one involved is actually identifying as a cat

they don't care it's being doing the rounds of country for at least 2 years look up kitty litter in class room hoax

it's just something for fuckwits peddle about the place

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Universities and schools, like LGBT venues and Newsnight, are allowed to invite or not invite any speaker they like. Is that a particularly controversial view?

Schools maybe, but that's not really how a university works tbh. Universities will contain a whole load of different groups with varying degrees of independence/power and competing interests and the institution itself will only have a vague overview of what's going on. If a few students form an 'Aryan Society' and invite some Nazi shithead in is that 'being invited by the university'? IIRC Toby Young's Eugenics thing for example was basically snuck into UCL with info deliberately withheld from management - where would that stand?

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Man if they get this wound up by furries I wonder what would happen if they found out about otakukin. Those guys are fucking wierd.

 

[Orang Utan]

My library had my first instance of potential meddling from outside last week, when a customer grabbed a bunch of sex education books from the teen section and went through them all, taking notes and using a selection of post it notes to mark pages. They then asked to speak to the librarian, who sat with them while they pointed out various things they took issue with. They weren’t particularly argumentative or strident but they did object to the books being next to the children’s section. They didn’t like a section in one book that educated the reader on what non-binary meant, and they weren’t happy with a description of how to practice anal sex safely. The librarian pointed out that this was only information that’s also provided in some secondary school sex education lessons and was in the section marked Teenage, and that there was much more explicit information online that children and teens could easily access at home or on their smartphones.
It seems to be resolved on a local level for now, but they may be taking it further higher up. I still find it a bit worrying. Although they were polite, they clearly had a conservative agenda, and they were slightly incoherent about their objections - didn’t seem to offer any explicit judgment about the information but that they didn’t like it presented as ‘stories’ - maybe they were referring to a couple of the books being in graphic novel form or them using specific cases to talk about the issues.

 

[Ax^]

bet if you even asked half of the gobshite if they are religious the answer would be known

little they know pushing evangelistic right wing bullshit onto libraries of all things

let's start banning books

 

[two sheds]

You could advise them that you've taken their views into consideration and that you've banned all Bibles and Christian books that refer to offensive sections of the Bible.

 

[Cloo]

We're gonna see more of this shit, for sure Orang Utan

People who think shame and silence around sex is the way to keep kids 'safe', when in fact there's no better way to enable abusers than ensuring kids don't understand sex, sexuality or consent. Funny them calling everyone else 'groomers'.. .

 

[Orang Utan]

Indeed.

BTW I had thought what I mentioned above was an isolated complaint, but have just read a work email advising us that a number of complaints have been made recently regarding books on gender and sexuality

 

[lazythursday]

In my early teenage years the library was an absolute godsend for finding out some information about being gay. With no internet I remember having to be a real sleuth in tracking down the relevant books without daring to ask librarians. Funnily enough none of it was in the children's/teenage section but I still managed to track it down and get thoroughly corrupted by Satan.

 

[two sheds]

All references to the Virgin Birth need to be banned It's atrocious and blatantly false sex education - what are young people going to do if they believe that having babies doesn't come from having sexual relations.

 

[Cloo]

Indeed.

BTW I had thought what I mentioned above was an isolated complaint, but have just read a work email advising us that a number of complaints have been made recently regarding books on gender and sexuality

Ugh, these fuckers are coordinating.

So a coordinated response about why professionally written, age appropriately sexual info doesn't 'sexualise' kids and keeps them safe is important. I think your colleague's rejoinder about what's available online is an excellent point as well.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Ugh, these fuckers are coordinating.

So a coordinated response about why professionally written, age appropriately sexual info doesn't 'sexualise' kids and keeps them safe is important. I think your colleague's rejoinder about what's available online is an excellent point as well.

yes - is there some sort of professional body for librarians? if these twunts start getting exactly the same response from every library service whose time they waste with it, they are (marginally) more likely to shut up sooner than if they get different replies where they can twist any variation in replies.

sounds definitely like something to refer as high up the chain locally as possible rather than deal with at local branch level.

 

[Ax^]

We're gonna see more of this shit, for sure Orang Utan

People who think shame and silence around sex is the way to keep kids 'safe', when in fact there's no better way to enable abusers than ensuring kids don't understand sex, sexuality or consent. Funny them calling everyone else 'groomers'.. .

aye repeating the patterns of increase sti and teen pregnancy that followed in the naughties when this shit was rampant over thier

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

yes - is there some sort of professional body for librarians? if these twunts start getting exactly the same response from every library service whose time they waste with it, they are (marginally) more likely to shut up sooner than if they get different replies where they can twist any variation in replies.

sounds definitely like something to refer as high up the chain locally as possible rather than deal with at local branch level.

There is in the US. There's a whole set of policy papers by the American Library Association such as the Library Bill of Rights, the Right to Read Statement, and the Children's Right to Read Statement.

The Freedom to Read Statement

The freedom to read is essential to our democracy. It is continuously under attack. We, as individuals devoted to reading and as librarians and publishers responsible for disseminating ideas, wish to assert the public interest in the preservation of the freedom to read.

www.ala.org

I dunno about the UK, but I wouldn't be surprised if they have similar guildelines. Most libraries in the US will have a book challenge policy and form to request a review.