Tory UK EU Exit Referendum

[laptop]

The blue signs I remember in the UK were on the A9 to Wick/Thurso - paid for by the EU as was, I think, the repair of the railway.

I recall Private Eye reporting that successive UK governments have simply failed to apply for similar infrastructure funding for England.

 

[hash tag]

He/they didn't want the referendum and dug themselves into a hole with it and just want it over and done asap. I will leave my rants about the gobshite Boris to other threads. Incidentally, I see he has still not shown his hand.

 

[coley]

not to mention Ireland - the early 90's you couldn't get on a road in Ireland without seeing 'paid for by the EU' signs, and given that before the EU funding, Ireland didn't have a single stretch of motorway that went from one city to another, the change has been pretty spectacular.

the EU even paid for the Irish Navy - all of their ships are paid for by the Fisheries policy, the only things the Irish government has to pay for are the crews, any weapons the Irish government chooses to fit, and the fuel. the up front 'so you want to buy a 2,000 tonne warship..' cost was paid by the EU...

Then the inconsiderate sods demanded their money back, cue years of austerity.

 

[lazythursday]

Large areas of the north got huge amounts of EU funding until the new, poorer countries were admitted. There are still some areas that are eligible most notably Merseyside. The new round of funding is about to begin in fact, and I know of at least one large scale environmental project that absolutely will not go ahead without it given that this government has removed just about every single pot of regeneration / environmental funding.

 

[LeslieB]

not to mention Ireland - the EU even paid for the Irish Navy - all of their ships are paid for by the Fisheries policy, the only things the Irish government has to pay for are the crews, any weapons the Irish government chooses to fit, and the fuel. the up front 'so you want to buy a 2,000 tonne warship..' cost was paid by the EU...

What a waste of EU money. Militant Irish patriots might balk, but given our close proximity surely it would be cheaper to pay the Royal Navy to do it?

 

[redsquirrel]

Individual MP's and Shadow cabinet members free to do what they like, without consequence.

What a bastard! Why is this a bad idea anyway? And which members of the Shadow Cabinet are going to go LEAVE?

A lot of the criticism of Corbyn's position is bizarre, his lukewarm remain seems to be the represent the opinion of the lot of voters.

 

[gosub]

That would be the RN that has more serving admirals than ships.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

What a bastard! Why is this a bad idea anyway? And which members of the Shadow Cabinet are going to go LEAVE?

A lot of the criticism of Corbyn's position is bizarre, his lukewarm remain seems to be the represent the opinion of the lot of voters.

Especially as it's a lukewarm remain that is entirely unconnected to anything Cameron is negotiating. I doubt many people give much of a shit about any of Cameron's 'concessions'.

 

[gosub]

What a bastard! Why is this a bad idea anyway? And which members of the Shadow Cabinet are going to go LEAVE?

A lot of the criticism of Corbyn's position is bizarre, his lukewarm remain seems to be the represent the opinion of the lot of voters.

It's wasn't a criticism it was paraphrasing what he said.

 

[kebabking]

What a waste of EU money. Militant Irish patriots might balk, but given our close proximity surely it would be cheaper to pay the Royal Navy to do it?

Aside from the legal, political, policy, etc.. minefield (ha! See what I did there...?), the RN never had any interest in fisheries protection - the RN has always played a key role in the Irish Navy, uptil quite recently Irish naval officers were trained in the UK, they still do loads of specialist courses here and cooperation could be described as 'close'...

There are very good reasons for each state to have its own capabilities - quite whether the EU should have paid for them however...

 

[brogdale]

For some perspective...polling past...

 

[brogdale]

Murdoch's men...

 

[brogdale]

Fatty Soames seems to be calling Grayling fash!

 

[Zabo]

Peston has just tweeted that Johnson is going for out.

Methinks its more about the leadership bids than the EU. Cameron out along with the weasel.

Robert Peston (@Peston) on Twitter

 

[laptop]

Fatty Soames seems to be calling Grayling fash!

Errr... Ah!

 

[Favelado]

In the event of a UK exit from the EU, what do people think what happen to people like me who live in other EU countries? Anything at all?

 

[Sprocket.]

In the event of a UK exit from the EU, what do people think what happen to people like me who live in other EU countries? Anything at all?

Internment for the duration?

 

[Favelado]

Internment for the duration?

As long as I can stop paying rent, fine.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

Fatty Soames seems to be calling Grayling fash!

Soames, rather unexpectedly, is worth a follow on twitter. *shakes head at modern world*

 

[Sprocket.]

As long as I can stop paying rent, fine.

Hopefully you will be provided with food and accommodation. In the spirit of European brotherhood.

 

[gosub]

Unless you live in Denmark

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

In the event of a UK exit from the EU, what do people think what happen to people like me who live in other EU countries? Anything at all?

What happened before free movement of people? From what I remember we could
move freely and settle easy enough as long as we waved a passport around, same as now?

 

[newbie]

In the event of a UK exit from the EU, what do people think what happen to people like me who live in other EU countries? Anything at all?

it's bizarre that in all the guff about sovereignty and that the position of people like you, and the eurofurriners living here, has been barely mentioned. I guess now that the campaigns are under way that rather major issue, along with umpteen others, will finally get an airing.

I filled in a form for a replacement EHIC last night- I suppose at some point the Leave campaign will explain how something as minor- until it's needed and then as major- as that will work.

 

[newbie]

What happened before free movement of people? From what I remember we could
move freely and settle easy enough as long as we waved a passport around, same as now?

exchange controls

 

[coley]

Hopefully you will be provided with food and accommodation. In the spirit of European brotherhood.

But only wurst and pasta and the odd frogs leg,no beef and Yorkshire pud as they will be immediately sanctioned upon Brexit!

 

[goldenecitrone]

In the event of a UK exit from the EU, what do people think what happen to people like me who live in other EU countries? Anything at all?

You teach English, don't you? You will have to get a work visa to keep working in Spain, though there will be more competition from returning Spanish folk who now speak fluent English.

 

[Sprocket.]

But only wurst and pasta and the odd frogs leg,no beef and Yorkshire pud as they will be immediately sanctioned upon Brexit!

It is delightful to see in these dark days of uncertainty that stereotyping is still thriving in this green and pleasant land!

 

[coley]

In the event of a UK exit from the EU, what do people think what happen to people like me who live in other EU countries? Anything at all?

In reality? Nowt,the same cosy relationship between the Northern EU states and us will continue even if we leave, however for those states with a Mediterranean or near coastline,the future looks bleak, with or without Brexit.

 

[coley]

It is delightful to see in these dark days of uncertainty that stereotyping is still thriving in this green and pleasant land!

Ok then,no Yorkshire pudding, he will have to exist on Aldis 'meals for one' a rich smorgasbord of cuisines from all parts of the world

 

[newbie]

In reality? Nowt,the same cosy relationship between the Northern EU states and us will continue even if we leave, however for those states with a Mediterranean or near coastline,the future looks bleak, with or without Brexit.

for how long? tbh that strikes me as fairly doubtful- opposition to free movement of people is so much at the heart of Leave that to assume there will be no medium/long-term effect is a bit fanciful. Even the special relationship with Ireland would be up for grabs, something to be used as a bargaining chip in the post-Brexit jockeying for advantage.