Tory leadership contest 2024

[littlebabyjesus]

I'm not convinced that Badenoughs electoral success or otherwise is particularly relevant to whether she'd still be in post in 4 years - the Tory party is just not that cold-eyed electoral machine anymore, it's a mish-mash of loons who are obsessed with their single issue causes, and who don't care about the wider politics of X or Y leader, and that matters is this or that's leaders view of their particular single issue - which they all believe is the only path to electoral success.

Any of a dozen+ little grouplets in the PCP could stage a rebellion and get a VoNC...

As PT says, they're changing the rules to make that harder.

I wouldn't bet on them being smart enough to organise a rebellion anyway. Just look at what Cleverly's supporters managed to do to him in this election.

They're not the brightest bunch, this lot.

 

[Hollis]

She does have the advantage that presumably most of the Tory MPs left are in what should be safe seats - i.e. they've reached peak low - so they'll be less Tory MPs worried about losing their seats.. That was part of the problem for them in the last parliament - loads of blue wall MPs who knew they'd be out unless things went well.

 

[kebabking]

haven't they changed / aren't they changing the rules so a bigger percentage has to put letters in?

There's certainly that talk, but I think they've got a problem there - Badenoch was the first choice of about 1 in six Tory MPs. There's not going to be much desire to cement her in place from the MP's side.

I'll be honest, there's shades of Corbyn here...

It's not the same, but she's not someone who the bulk/a majority/whatever term you want to use, thinks should be there.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

There's certainly that talk, but I think they've got a problem there - Badenoch was the first choice of about 1 in six Tory MPs. There's not going to be much desire to cement her in place from the MP's side.

I'll be honest, there's shades of Corbyn here...

It's not the same, but she's not someone who the bulk/a majority/whatever term you want to use, thinks should be there.

I just looked that up. In the first round, she came second, just behind Jenrick.

As I said, not the brightest bunch.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Hunt and Cleverly both stepping down as front benchers saying they won’t serve if asked…telling.

Wonder what her front bench will look like…? Might actually bother to watch PMQs next week for the lolz!

 

[philosophical]

She hacked Harriet Harman's computer and said it was a 'prank'.
So she can shut up if leaks happen in the future.
And bullying?
Wasn't she castigated as a bully?
Anyway she is a fucking Tory so can fuck off as far as I'm concerned, but the shadow cabinet she assembles will tell us more about her.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Hunt and Cleverly both stepping down as front benchers saying they won’t serve if asked…telling.

Wonder what her front bench will look like…? Might actually bother to watch PMQs next week for the lolz!

Hunt was always going and only stayed on - like Sunak - until they elected a leader. Cleverly is no loss. Lazy, yesterday’s politics and comically misnamed.

 

[brogdale]

Hunt and Cleverly both stepping down as front benchers saying they won’t serve if asked…telling.

Wonder what her front bench will look like…? Might actually bother to watch PMQs next week for the lolz!

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[Smokeandsteam]

I'll be honest, there's shades of Corbyn here...

It's not the same, but she's not someone who the bulk/a majority/whatever term you want to use, thinks should be there.

I think that’s partly true. But:

1. Whoever won would have had the same problem to some extent because the depth and bitterness of the political schisms within Tory politics are irresolvable.

Plus, all the candidates are, essentially, second rate and not up to the job. There was no option who could lead purely on the basis of their obvious suitability for the job.

2. The Corbyn comparisons are partly apt, but Corbynism was an attempt to swim against the dominant culture and towards a restoration of social democracy. Badenoch’s identity politics/culture war/right populism has much more fertile ground to engage with and capture if done well.

I thought Jenrick would win. Someone who paid lip service to right populism but who is - at heart - a Cameroon and would try to tack the party back towards the centre over time. The choice of Badenoch - a genuine swivel eyed right winger - is similar to Corbyn in that respect. She has one big advantage and slice of luck too: Starmer.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

The central problem is the party is still as governable as it was post Johnson, no leader really managed to solve that just defer it like Sunak did…she’s very unliked by the PCP apart from certain big backers…and she’s as bad as Corbyn in media interviews in terms of entitlement attitude…

 

[Kid_Eternity]

In short this is going to be hilarious

 

[PR1Berske]

Ex-prime minister Boris Johnson lauded , externalBadenoch's "courage and clarity" and said she "brings a much needed zing and zap to the Conservative Party".

 

[littlebabyjesus]

The central problem is the party is still as governable as it was post Johnson, no leader really managed to solve that just defer it like Sunak did…she’s very unliked by the PCP apart from certain big backers…and she’s as bad as Corbyn in media interviews in terms of entitlement attitude…

Have you misspelled 'Starmer' there?

 

[DJWrongspeed]

Hunt was always going and only stayed on - like Sunak - until they elected a leader. Cleverly is no loss. Lazy, yesterday’s politics and comically misnamed.

With so few MPs Cleverly is in prime position to take over when the party get sick of Kemi.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Have you misspelled 'Starmer' there?

No. Have you seen Corbyn in interviews where he doesn’t like the questions? Kemi is almost identical. Starmer never goes off like an entitled brat like they do.

 

[Kid_Eternity]

With so few MPs Cleverly is in prime position to take over when the party get sick of Kemi.

This is my bet. 18-24 months some idiot will see a chance to get rid of her and he’ll be the most likely to run to the end. Unless some unknown becomes pretty attractive in the meantime…which largely depends on who Kemi deploys her patronage on…

 

[PR1Berske]

Her priority is to decide what to do with Reform. If what she's said is accurate, she wants to form a "real" conservative party (remember that everybody on the Right believes there hasn't been a "real" conservative party for decades). Reform position themselves as the current authentic choice for voters who want a proper conservative party. Can't have two rivals going for the same Venn diagram, not under the current voting system.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Her priority is to decide what to do with Reform. If what she's said is accurate, she wants to form a "real" conservative party (remember that everybody on the Right believes there hasn't been a "real" conservative party for decades). Reform position themselves as the current authentic choice for voters who want a proper conservative party. Can't have two rivals going for the same Venn diagram, not under the current voting system.

She doesn't actually mean that, though. The person who took the Tories away from traditional conservatism was Thatcher.

 

[PTK]

No. Have you seen Corbyn in interviews where he doesn’t like the questions? Kemi is almost identical. Starmer never goes off like an entitled brat like they do.

No, I have not seen Corbyn behaving like that in interviews. I do not have television. Perhaps you can give an example.

 

[Serge Forward]

No. Have you seen Corbyn in interviews where he doesn’t like the questions? Kemi is almost identical. Starmer never goes off like an entitled brat like they do.

Kemi? Is she your fucking mate?

Eta: oops... just realised it's that dick Kid Eternity

 

[Lotte]

How is Badenoch anything like Corbyn. WTAF.

 

[Elpenor]

How is Badenoch anything like Corbyn. WTAF.

I can’t imagine she’s into jam making

 

[redsquirrel]

No. Have you seen Corbyn in interviews where he doesn’t like the questions? Kemi is almost identical. Starmer never goes off like an entitled brat like they do.

Starmer is terrible in interviews when challenged - see the Beth Rigby interview with him over the gifts he got. Starmer's own biographer notes his dislike of being challenged.

Accusations that he knowingly misled his supporters with the ten pledges – he has ditched many of his original proposals, including common ownership of Royal Mail, energy and water, higher taxes on the top 5 per cent and the abolition of tuition fees – also get to him. Other policies from the document remain, and Starmer insists that his direction of travel hasn’t changed. But Baldwin writes that he is ‘almost monosyllabic’ when the pledges come up.

 

[Ax^]

I can’t imagine she’s into jam making

does she have an allotment

its a slippery slope

 

[bluescreen]

does she have an allotment

its a slippery slope

You have fixed forever an idea of her allotment on a slippery slope.

I hope she has tenacity to rise above the puerile jibes of opponents.

 

[Calamity1971]

That face can't lie, oh dear .

 

[PR1Berske]

Two things from the Telegraph:

Born Olukemi Olufunto Adegoke in Wimbledon, south-west London, in 1980, Mrs Badenoch spent her childhood in Lagos, Nigeria. She has described her upbringing as “middle class” when compared to her “very poor” surroundings.

Her father Femi worked in the city as a GP, while her mother Feyi was a professor of physiology at the University of Lagos.

In her maiden speech as an MP she described “living without electricity and doing my homework by candlelight because the state electricity board could not provide power, and fetching water in heavy, rusty buckets from a borehole a mile away because the nationalised water company could not get water out of the taps”.

On Saturday, Bob Blackman, the chairman of the 1922 Committee, confirmed that the threshold for a vote of no confidence in the Tory leader had been raised this week to reflect the much smaller size of the parliamentary party after the election.

Noting that there were just 121 Conservative MPs, he told GB News: “It was 15 per cent, it’s now 33.3 plus one. So from that perspective I’m not expecting to see any problems in that regard ever, actually.”

 

[andysays]

Two things from the Telegraph:

In her maiden speech as an MP she described “living without electricity and doing my homework by candlelight because the state electricity board could not provide power, and fetching water in heavy, rusty buckets from a borehole a mile away because the nationalised water company could not get water out of the taps”.

I'd heard things were bad in South London, but I never realised they were that bad

 

[Lurdan]

19th July 2017

I am often inexplicably confused with a member of the Labour party—I cannot think why. I am a Conservative. To all intents and purposes, I am a first-generation immigrant. I was born in Wimbledon, but I grew up in Nigeria. I chose to make the United Kingdom my home.

Growing up in Nigeria I saw real poverty—I experienced it, including living without electricity and doing my homework by candlelight, because the state electricity board could not provide power, and fetching water in heavy, rusty buckets from a borehole a mile away, because the nationalised water company could not get water out of the taps. Unlike many colleagues born since 1980, I was unlucky enough to live under socialist policies. It is not something I would wish on anyone, and it is just one of the reasons why I am a Conservative. I believe that the state should provide social security, but it must also provide a means for people to lift themselves out of poverty.

Full speech here as text and video

 

[nino_savatte]

No. Have you seen Corbyn in interviews where he doesn’t like the questions? Kemi is almost identical. Starmer never goes off like an entitled brat like they do.

I think your love for Starmer has blinded you to his very obvious faults. Oh, and why are you calling Badenoch by her first name? Are you and her bessie mates?