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Teresa Villiers, isnt it?
Tory UK EU Exit Referendum
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Teresa Villiers, isnt it?
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Books, not bombs
Cameron has long since announced he is a dead duck it's just a case of sooner rather than later BUT don't get to excited, just consider who will take over.
As for the circus, my mind was made up long ago and is unlikely to change.
I remain to be convinced where Corbin stands. If he is certain about anything, he says so, if not he seems to hide behind the veil of the party. He has certainly had past doubts.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Poor etiquette.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
gosub
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Corbyn gave quite an honest interview on Sky earlier. He's sort of hoist himself with his own pitard; the matter was debated at last conference with a large IN vote, so he's stuck with offering tepid support for the EU and answering every question "we...". Individual MP's and Shadow cabinet members free to do what they like, without consequence.
1%er
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He wants it in June before all the pictures in the press of boats full of people heading for Europe during the summer.
gosub
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P&O operate an all year ferry servicebutchersapron
Bring back hanging
1) He doesn't have to do what conference votes for 2) he supports in - so he's not stuck with anything.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
So agree. So far all I am hearing is that the Tory big hitters, Osborne excepted want out, whilst Camerons biggest allie appears so far to be Hilary Benn. I have a feeling that Corbyn wants out. Then of course theres Boris, who will want whats right for him, who many will see as a major influence
Put yourself in the position of non British Europeans. This jumped up little Brit comes to the majority and says I don't like your rules, it's Ok for all of you to abide by them and I want my own rules. Lets not forget that we did not join the Euro and are out of Schengen. As a European, what would you be thinking/wanting? Oh the arrogance. If they want their own rules, let them have their own rules, let them out of Europe. Just thinking out loud.
The only good thing which may come out of it is Cameron could end up going sooner rather than later, BUT, beware the devil you know. Come on, just get the whole thing over with.
Boris is in danger of seeming indecisive, he needs to declare soon.
Where does he go?
If he supports Cameron, and Cameron wins, he will get the Foreign Office (probably). If he supports the 'out' campaign, and they win, then he is likely to be the next PM. Osborne is with Cameron, and a loss would sink him.
I would like to see Boris as PM, but he needs to declare soon, or he is likely to lose the opportunity.
As far as I can see the only people who benefit from EU membership are the bosses and the landlords of this world. I know which way I'm voting and nothing in this 'deal' will persuade me otherwise.
And as for taking child benefit and WTC off families? The only people that ultimately hurts are the children. And it creates second class citizens, which, historically, has *never* ended well.
And as for taking child benefit and WTC off families? The only people that ultimately hurts are the children. And it creates second class citizens, which, historically, has *never* ended well.
gosub
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So a man who came in saying he wants to to make the party more accountable to the membership should add the caveat *except when he doesn't agree
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
They do indeed, I was on one on Monday. (Trip to Belgium to replenish the tobacco supplies.)
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Whittingdale?
gosub
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Waiting on tomorrow's statement on beefing up the UK supreme court
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Tough tittie.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Hopefully he will declare then.
I know that a number of Urbanites don't like Boris, I do though. So do the people of London who elected him twice.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Why would he do that given he supports the result of the conference vote? And conference votes are not binding despite you imagining that they are.So a man who came in saying he wants to to make the party more accountable to the membership should add the caveat *except when he doesn't agree
ska invita
back on the other side
I'm not excited about Cameron leaving, more interested that there could be a general election much sooner than expected.
I don't think Corbyn knows quite how to play it and is just going stay as a safer option
newbie
undisambiguated
sorry, I'm baffled by that. Have you never travelled round any of the poorer continental countries? In towns and villages across the ones I've been to there are blue funded by EU signs outside schools, playgroups, retirement homes, sewage farms and all sorts, on roads, dams, power plants... They've faded over the years in places like Spain and are still shiny in eg Bulgaria. There are lots of arguments on both sides but blanket denial of clear internationalist benefit doesn't really impress.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
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Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Sass's love for Boris?
No dave saying the referendum is going to be in june. I honestly thought he would postpone it again or bottle out altogether.
gosub
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cost me a fiver...thought it would be next year
Why would he postpone it? The odds are in his favour and he wants to get it out of the way as quickly as possible.
And Scotland. And, iirc, Wales.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
not to mention Ireland - the early 90's you couldn't get on a road in Ireland without seeing 'paid for by the EU' signs, and given that before the EU funding, Ireland didn't have a single stretch of motorway that went from one city to another, the change has been pretty spectacular.
the EU even paid for the Irish Navy - all of their ships are paid for by the Fisheries policy, the only things the Irish government has to pay for are the crews, any weapons the Irish government chooses to fit, and the fuel. the up front 'so you want to buy a 2,000 tonne warship..' cost was paid by the EU...
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