Tory UK EU Exit Referendum

[discokermit]

farage has said he'd welcome a Gove led party, as would a large number of UKIP members. he'd fucking jump at the chance of a cabinet seat. Of course he'd need to actually be elected to something first.

After the referendum, the 'kippers (should) know they've only really got one election left in them, before they drift away on a sea of pointlessness. If he could find a way, Farage would be right in there.

i dunno. if remain wins i think it will fuel them.

 

[smokedout]

When has Farage said he'd welcome a Gove led Tory Party, I only recall him giving vague support to Boris recently? And why would Boris/Gove want or need him for that matter, he's toxic with the centre ground they need and half the Tory Party despises him.

 

[Wilf]

A dream day would be
Farage's light plane
descending
at
great
velocity
on boris on his bike.

Ode to a Mangled Aircraft.

 

[belboid]

When has Farage said he'd welcome a Gove led Tory Party, I only recall him giving vague support to Boris recently? And why would Boris/Gove want or need him for that matter, he's toxic with the centre ground they need and half the Tory Party despises him.

same could be said for Johnson & gove, tho, couldnt it?
UKIP: Grown-ups 'like Gove' needed for Tory election pact - BBC News

 

[smokedout]

same could be said for Johnson & gove, tho, couldnt it?
UKIP: Grown-ups 'like Gove' needed for Tory election pact - BBC News

An electoral pact to get a referendum which he got without one in the end, hardly saying he'd switch sides. And yes, the same could be said for Johnson and Gove, that's sort of my point, Brexit will only make them heroes to people who think they are heroes already. Most people think they are cunts.

 

[weltweit]

same could be said for Johnson & gove, tho, couldnt it?
UKIP: Grown-ups 'like Gove' needed for Tory election pact - BBC News

2012

 

[belboid]

An electoral pact to get what he wanted. You don't think he'd do it again? It's almost as if you think he has some principles

 

[Brixton Hatter]

Farage will fuck himself up with the fags and booze before long.

Or the failure to maintain his car properly.

 

[2hats]

Farage will fuck himself up with the fags and booze before long.

Nigel "I think the doctors have got it wrong on smoking"(*) Farage? Surely not.

*

 

[ska invita]

I'm less worried about the far right here (stuff beyond Farage) because over the last few decades they've been fairly feeble, more concerned about the wind this will put in the sails of Europe's far right. Bigger issue I reckon.

The two things (UK and European far right) arent separate enough for me .. .a growing far right in other corners of europe can influence the far right in the UK - and for me particularly so when Farage's thin end of the wedge has been knocking at walls for as long as it has... it worries me a lot.

im also genuinely scared about phase two of the deferred economic collapse, and that coupled with a growing far-right in europe makes me feel very cautious.

Staying in the EU doesnt negate that of course, but it feels a dangerous time to do anything that gives more traction to racist and separatist narratives, both in the UK and beyond

 

[butchersapron]

The two things (UK and European far right) arent separate enough for me .. .a growing far right in other corners of europe can influence the far right in the UK - and for me particularly so when Farage's thin end of the wedge has been knocking at walls for as long as it has... it worries me a lot.

im also genuinely scared about phase two of the deferred economic collapse, and that coupled with a growing far-right in europe makes me feel very cautious.

Staying in the EU doesnt negate that of course, but it feels a dangerous time to do anything that gives more traction to racist and separatist narratives, both in the UK and beyond

What's the eu's role in this?

 

[magneze]

How does Farage have any power if leave win? He's not an MP.

 

[Dogsauce]

How does Farage have any power if leave win? He's not an MP.

He's hollowed out Gove (an easy job) and has installed electronics giving rudimentary control of his movements and voice, which he operates from his secret bunker in the base of Nelson's Column.

 

[teqniq]

This is getting beyond bizarre now.

The Vote Leave campaign video was 'doctored' to include fake screams

 

[ska invita]

How does Farage have any power if leave win? He's not an MP.

He seems to have a lot of power to me right now. He's possibly the single most politically influential person in the country, in terms of setting an agenda.
As I said upthread, if the vote goes to Leave that just triggers the beginning of a long power struggle over what happens next. I can see no chance that UKIP are going to shut up shop and leave it in the hands of others to deal with. Farage will have power as the country will have just voted in his favour in a referendum that was effectively his doing. UKIP are on an electoral roll at the moment too - polling 18% and recently winning seat in Wales.

No really knows what will happen next - so many variables, and as a gambling man I dont like the look of the majority of the outcomes.

Heres one possibility from the Indy:
"Although Farage dismisses post-referendum speculation as “irrelevant” and “Westminster tittle-tattle", Ukip insiders believe he plans to rebrand and relaunch the party, modelling it on Italy’s populist Five Star Movement led by Beppe Grillo, a comedian."

The idea that voting Leave kills UKIP is really wishfull thinking IMO. In fact the opposite is more likely I think, that they will get even more momentum and credibility.

 

[brogdale]

Probably nothing here that we didn't already know...but FWIW here is YG's latest (& last) map of EUref support. (Blue = Leave, Red = Remain).

 

[two sheds]

If Scotland gets independence the next referendum would be more decisive.

 

[YouSir]

If Scotland gets independence the next referendum would be more decisive.

Not sure why people think there'll be another IndyRef. Hasn't the government shown enough disgust at people voting on issues to make it clear they won't make a habit of it?

 

[two sheds]

say that again when Boris is PM

 

[Pickman's model]

The idea that voting Leave kills UKIP is really wishfull thinking IMO. In fact the opposite is more likely I think, that they will get even more momentum and credibility.

i never saw it as ukip being led to the guillotine on 24 june, more as a lingering death lasting years if not months.

 

[Pickman's model]

say that again when Boris is PM

i look forward to attending boris's pm - post mortem

 

[weltweit]

Probably nothing here that we didn't already know...but FWIW here is YG's latest (& last) map of EUref support. (Blue = Leave, Red = Remain).

I must be being dense but I don't understand the key?

 

[teqniq]

A third of Leave voters believe MI5 and the Remain camp

Probable clickbait warning and I'm having trouble with some of the wording

Nearly a third of Leave voters believe Britain’s intelligence agency MI5 is in cahoots with the Government to stop Britain leaving the European Union, according to a new poll..

What?

 

[two sheds]

I must be being dense but I don't understand the key?

I'd assumed probability 0 to 1 of someone from the region voting leave.

 

[NoXion]

Something just occurred to me; apart from the polling card I haven't received any referendum-related bumf in the post at all. I wonder why that is?

 

[J Ed]

Something just occurred to me; apart from the polling card I haven't received any referendum-related bumf in the post at all. I wonder why that is?

I received a bit about a month ago then nothing since then. Not complaining.

 

[gosub]

I must be being dense but I don't understand the key?

mean comparative attitudes to EU split into 1/12s and coloured in

 

[NoXion]

I received a bit about a month ago then nothing since then. Not complaining.

Not complaining so much as wondering. Given the fuss made I would have expected a deluge of faff but the silence is surprising.

 

[Wilf]

say that again when Boris is PM

If/when he is PM he'll go back to not really giving a shit whether we are in the EU or not.

 

[DotCommunist]

I've been spammed hard from all quarters. one 'don't vote with farage' leaflet managed to survive dog