The Trump presidency
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I suspect Dan Adamini already has form for murdering songs!
Wrong'un.
coley
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History about to repeat itself.?
Not only was Nixon taken to Camp David for two days for his own protection, but Charles Colson (Counsel to President Nixon from 1969 to 1973) stated that the military was called up to protect the administration from the angry students; he recalled that "The 82nd Airborne was in the basement of the executive office building, so I went down just to talk to some of the guys and walk among them, and they're lying on the floor leaning on their packs and their helmets and their cartridge belts and their rifles cocked and you're thinking, 'This can't be the United States of America. This is not the greatest free democracy in the world. This is a nation at war with itself.'"
Not only was Nixon taken to Camp David for two days for his own protection, but Charles Colson (Counsel to President Nixon from 1969 to 1973) stated that the military was called up to protect the administration from the angry students; he recalled that "The 82nd Airborne was in the basement of the executive office building, so I went down just to talk to some of the guys and walk among them, and they're lying on the floor leaning on their packs and their helmets and their cartridge belts and their rifles cocked and you're thinking, 'This can't be the United States of America. This is not the greatest free democracy in the world. This is a nation at war with itself.'"
ruffneck23
front left
Twitters going to be fun today, not that I'm on it
newbie
undisambiguated
I think you're being a little unfair tbh, internal US economic concerns aren't ever priorities over here, why would they get anyone out onto the streets?Saw the Anti-Trump London march today; didn't see one poster, banner or flyer refer to any economic/fiscal crime that he is/will be guilty of. As Siobhan Kennedy said on tonight's C4 News, when introducing the item about Trump's ordering of a review of Dodd-Frank, "amongst all this protest, the news about this policy has gone virtually un-noticed...".
So Trump appoints former Goldman's partner Mnuchin to oversee the removal of any regulatory restraint on..er...Goldmans etc. Drain that swamp!
Meanwhile thousands of (well-meaning) folk in Whitehall wanted to tell me the racist, misogynist, homophobic sex-offender was just that.
Was the whole crowd as young as in your photos? That wasn't the case the other evening, although many were. Shoutout to the splendid group from LSE who spent monday evening chanting Refugees Are Welcome Here incredibly enthusiastically over and over. A much more appropriate response in the second term of their first year than some considered musings about fiscal policy, whatever the longterm consequences.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yes, I realise that I may have sounded a little unfair.
The whole crowd, though on average quite young, was fairly mixed tbh; there were quite a few folks who appeared as "not the usual demo types".
wrt to the substantive point; I just don't regard Trump's acceleration of advanced neoliberalism as an internal US economic matter...that's all.
gorski
customised free radical
There was an easier way than wiping it off a window - add S in front and slightly alter J into t => "Stews belong in the oven"...
But there is hope for us yet: look at Romania, they did it - AGAIN!!! Romanian politicians really do belong to a Sing-Sing, Romanian style... We'll see if they pull that one off or if the sociopaths have pulled back in time... Now, who's more Modern and democracy minded: US or Romania? The Romanian challenge stands... Except that in the US many politicians and their advisors need to be locked up in a different kind of "caring institution"...
But there is hope for us yet: look at Romania, they did it - AGAIN!!! Romanian politicians really do belong to a Sing-Sing, Romanian style... We'll see if they pull that one off or if the sociopaths have pulled back in time... Now, who's more Modern and democracy minded: US or Romania? The Romanian challenge stands... Except that in the US many politicians and their advisors need to be locked up in a different kind of "caring institution"...
newbie
undisambiguated
nor do I, and I'm inclined to bet that a substantial number of those on the demos don't either- people aren't as one dimensional as their placards might suggest. It's hard to get a mouthful like 'acceleration of advanced neoliberalism' onto a bit of cardboard and expect it to resonate on TV screens & postings around the world.
When it comes to it, as well as bonding the participants, these demos have been an immediate response for the thousands stranded by Trumps policy announcement, to say they've not been wholly rejected. That's a fairly simple message to get across, and an immediate need.
CrabbedOne
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Both martyred Kennedys were rather dangerous bastards perhaps more so than hammy old Ronnie. JFK basically stole Nixon's fake news about the Missile Gap foreign policy.
“Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.” - JFK's inaugural address.
At the height of the Cold War what "price" did he mean? I'm reminded of Pakistani statements that the people would "eat grass" if necessary to become a nuclear power. He came pretty close to getting a lot of Americans fried over Cuba.
Robert worked rather eagerly for McCarthy and was often a down right sinister player. Both men pursued a blood feud with Castro more typical of Sicilian doings. The sons of rapey old depression profiteer Joe who bought the family firm the Whitehouse by a gnats cock. Sort of people who'd leave a girlfriend to drown and still shamelessly continue in politics as a Lion of The Senate. I doubt even Trump would try to walk away from that.
Bannon comes from a family of Kennedy clan idolators. The air of messianic corruption he brings to the House of Trump may not be unconnected.
CrabbedOne
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On Newsweek EICHENWALD: CAN TRUMP TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TRUTH AND HIS LIES?
Lying Donald Trump's tendency to lie not tactically but compulsively especially when the facts on the ground in any way challenge his self esteem. It may well simply be pathological. It does not quite have the thought out look of brazen Russian misinformation campaigns he just says what comes into his big sprayed orange head and his team run with it. Well that's what spending decades flipping real estate will do to you.
CrabbedOne
Walking sideways snippily
On MEE Trump considers executive order to ban Muslim Brotherhood
Trump trying to steal a march with the crazy on Ted Cruz now.
newbie
undisambiguated
that's not the view of the keepers of the Doomsday clock. During the Bay of Pigs it "stood at 7 minutes to midnight and the following year, in 1963, the clock's hands moved to 12 minutes to midnight, when the Partial Nuclear Test Ban Treaty went into effect". During the Reagan era it got to 3 minutes, closer than any time since the H bomb tests of the early 50s, when it was 2 minutes. Of course, the stationing of nuclear tipped cruise missiles at Greenham Common, designed to melt into the countryside, meant it would have been us that got fried.
Reagan and his mate la thatch took it closer than any time since, until Obama/Putin pushed it back to 3 minutes.
In 2017 it's been moved to 2.5 minutes.
bimble
floofy
there's quite a lot of this about, which is good to know Trump Regrets (@Trump_Regrets) on Twitter
not a trot
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J Ed
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This hasn't mentioned exactly what those conspiracy theories about the Muslim Brotherhood are. Gaffney has put forward the idea that the Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated senior levels of the US government, not unlike the far-right anti-Semitic conspiracy theories about 'Zionist Occupied' governments.
2hats
Dust.
Everyone would have been fried; a handy local ground zero would have been a bonus.
Incorrect. In 1984 it was adjusted from 4 to 3 minutes largely in response to Pershing II, Cruise deployment in Europe. In late 1987 it was wound back to 6 minutes in response to Gorbachev and Reagan signing the INF treaty.
newbie
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sorry, what's incorrect? Reagan and Thatcher were responsible for Cruise deployment.Everyone would have been fried; a handy local ground zero would have been a bonus.
Incorrect. In 1984 it was adjusted from 4 to 3 minutes largely in response to Pershing II, Cruise deployment in Europe. In late 1987 it was wound back to 6 minutes in response to Gorbachev and Reagan signing the INF treaty.
krtek a houby
Anger is Hi-NRG
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I can't say how much this has restored my faith in human decency, today. It probably won't last but thanks for posting this.
2hats
Dust.
They were indeed heavily involved in that.
It got to within 2 minutes 1953-1960 at which point (largely due to scientific co-operation) it fell back to 7 minutes.
Reagan pushed it forward to 3 minutes in 1984. It's never been any closer since then, until Trump. (START/end of the Cold War drove it back to 17 minutes in 1991.)
(Your statement is badly worded).
weltweit
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I find this one particularly disturbing "get out of my country" the security guy says.. I assume this video is legitimate, quite disturbing.
newbie
undisambiguated
always
CrabbedOne
Walking sideways snippily
My own recollection of the 60s and 70s is of a very unstable period far scarier than the 21st century were nuclear threats alway loomed over all others. Having read up on the Cold War period I now realise I was a bit deluded. It was far more frightening than I thought at the time.
The smug liberal folks working the clock had no real handle on the threat levels at the time as it was all highly classified. Even some of the high up officials involved were not in full possession of the facts.
JFK himself was for some time unaware of prior US nuke deployments in Turkey that provoked the Cuban Missile crisis. We do know that was a near thing as most of what happened has been disclosed. It's just one of several incidents of near nuclear war; probably the worst.
Full on Mutually Assured Destruction really becomes fully formed under the sane Pentagon leadership of JFK protégé Bob McNamara. A brainy business man from Ford. Bob was rather frightened to learn twenty years later that US basic assumptions during the crisis had been faulty. He did spend the last years of his life campaigning for an end to the nuclear hair trigger; unsuccessfully.
In 1980 peaceful old former nuclear engineer Jimmy Carter modified MAD doctrine to start with a decapitation strike against the Soviet Leadership. Essentially anticipating a winnable nuclear war. An awful lot that gets blamed on Reagan started with the pious liberal peanut farmer. Reagan certainly pushed SDI further undermining MAD. Thatcher was actually rather critical of SDI. The worst moment of that period was probably in 83. It's still not fully declassified so we don't know how close that came.
The Soviet response to the fading of MAD was to created Perimeter. A semi-automatic Doomsday Device that would launch the entire ICBM arsenal at pre-assigned targets in the event of a decapitation strike. This was only revealed to be in place in the Yeltsin era. The crazy Soviets never told the Americans they'd built it cancelling out it's strategic value as a deterrent. It was more to be a last revolutionary act from the grave.
In 2011 a Russian official implied Perimeter is still in place. You might see that as the dawn of Cold War II. The beginning of the end of what will probably be looked back on as a very safe couple of decades of relative economic comfort.
We'll just have to see if the belligerently anti-Kremlin JFK was actually less dangerous than the capricious, so far Putin appeasing Trump. Trump's cack handed diplomacy and Camelot of hand picked crazies certainly does not bode well.
CrabbedOne
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I recall Gaffney accused GOP stalwart and tax hater in chief Grover Norquist of being part of a vast MB conspiracy.
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