The Lefts reaction to hurricane Katrina

[Gumbert]

going back to the tsunami business, as i recall there were buckets going round the supemarkets here three days after the event. then there was he disscusion amongst the fatcats and it came to light that beakons that warned of an approaching tsunami were deemed to expensive £15million iirc. the money that ending up being laid out was more than 15 times that amount after the tsunami.

thats what makes this disaster so cowing to pbman and JC2 is that something could and should have been done. to stop the current disaster but instead put their faith in a ruling class that quite frankly didnt give a shit about the people left behind in all the cities and towns arond the geographical area of New Orleans..

It was common knowledge that over 100,000 people in New Orleans relied on public transport, therefore why wasnt it suggested that all transport out of the immediate areas were free and hat the drivers of trains and buses were asked to get as many people out as possible? then

it comes to the young poor and infirm, most of these people would be in touch with atleast some, school, care, health agency...when they knew that the hurricane was upon them take the necessary action to get these vunerable people out...

but it goes without saying now, that these people are now dead.

and its precisly the rulers whom, represtented by bush, are looked at with such scorn because it is they and their policies of wealth creation that disenfranchised the now desperate and dead in the first place cos the most of the annual budget on health welfare and education has been slashed. This in a country were there is more money spent on prisons, homeland security (sic) and occupations abroad- nevermind the ruling class ...

hail the cheif....

 

[pbman]

going back to the tsunami business, as i recall there were buckets going round the supemarkets here three days after the event. then there was he disscusion amongst the fatcats and it came to light that beakons that warned of an approaching tsunami were deemed to expensive £15million iirc. the money that ending up being laid out was more than 15 times that amount after the tsunami.

thats what makes this disaster so cowing to pbman and JC2 is that something could and should have been done. to stop the current disaster but instead put their faith in a ruling class that quite frankly didnt give a shit about the people left behind in all the cities and towns arond the geographical area of New Orleans..

It was common knowledge that over 100,000 people in New Orleans relied on public transport, therefore why wasnt it suggested that all transport out of the immediate areas were free? then

it comes to the young poor and infirm, most of these people would be in touch with atleast some, school, care, health agency...when they knew that the hurricane was upon them take the necessary action to get these vunerable people out...

but it goes without saying now, that these people are now dead.

and its precisly the rulers whom, represtented by bush, are looked at with such scorn because it is they and their policies of wealth creation that disenfranchised the now desperate and dead in the first place...

hail the cheif....

The people in the state are responsible for the saftey of the people.

The federal governent helps and passes out tons of money for that reason, but its not responsible.

We have our own dopplar radar system, for predicting and tracking tornado's here, and our own system of warning people and our own system to take care of things.

We didn't wait for the feds to build one for us.

And were not exactly a rich state, but we do consider our lives important.

 

[Yossarian]

That must be a huge relief for all the residents of the Oklahoma coast.

Maybe you should work for the tourist board.

 

[pbman]

That must be a huge relief for all the residents of the Oklahoma coast.

Maybe you should work for the tourist board.

We have tornado's here.

An f-5 went though a few years ago.

Matter of fact we have more of them than the rest of the world combined.

 

[pbman]

And were not talking pissy 170 mile an hour winds like an hurricane.

The beautiful May morning turned into raging dark skies in the afternoon. Explosive thunderstorm development ensued an in the late afternoon through the mid-evening hours of that Monday, tornadoes broke out across Oklahoma on this day like no other. This storm system produced a supercell thunderstorm that included the tornado with the strongest winds ever measured. At around 7:00 P.M., a mobile Doppler radar detected winds of 318 mph inside a tornado that hit Moore, Oklahoma. (The old record was a 286-mph wind measurement from a Doppler radar near Red Rock, Oklahoma). The 318-mph wind speed is the top edge of the dreaded F5 rating on the Fujita scale; however, the winds occurred above the ground, and winds at the surface may not have been quite this intense. Still, the damage was severe enough to merit an F5 rating for the tornado. This tornado also struck Newcastle, Bridge Creek, Midwest City, and Del City. This article is about the month of May. ... Oklahoma is a South Central state of the United States (with strong midwestern and western influences) and its U.S. postal abbreviation is OK; others abbreviate the states name Okla. ... Shelf-cloud of a supercell Supercell thunderstorms are the largest, most severe class of single-cell thunderstorm. ... Doppler radar uses the Doppler effect to return additional information from a radar system. ... Moore is a rapidly growing suburb located in Cleveland County, Oklahoma and is part of the Oklahoma City Metropolitan Area. ... Red Rock is a town located in Noble County, Oklahoma. ... The Fujita scale rates a tornados intensity by the damage it inflicts on human-built structures. ... The Fujita scale rates a tornados intensity by the damage it inflicts on human-built structures. ... Newcastle is a city located in McClain County, Oklahoma and is part of the Oklahoma City Metropolitan Area. ... Midwest City is a major city located in Oklahoma County, Oklahoma. ... Del City is a city located in Oklahoma County, Oklahoma and is part of the Oklahoma City Metropolitan Area. ...

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Oklahoma-Tornado-Outbreak

And belive it or not, we are prepaired to deal with them, as we have to be prepaired.

We don't sit around waiting for the federal gov't to solve the problem for us,or blame them for what is our responsibility.

 

[Yossarian]

Yep, I'm sure Oklahoma is very well prepared for hurricanes striking and levees breaking, possibly even as well-prepared as Wyoming, Ariizona, and Kentucky.

I'm sure in your time of need the Hungarian navy will be there for you....

 

[pbman]

Yep, I'm sure Oklahoma is very well prepared for hurricanes striking and levees breaking, possibly even as well-prepared as Wyoming, Ariizona, and Kentucky.

I'm sure in your time of need the Hungarian navy will be there for you....

Thats not the point, we continousely prepair and work on the warning systems and shelters that we need.

Each area of the country has its own unique challenges, in california its earthquakes................

The plan isn't for us to do nothing, and wait for the feds.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

thats what makes this disaster so cowing to pbman and JC2 is that something could and should have been done. to stop the current disaster but instead put their faith in a ruling class that quite frankly didnt give a shit about the people left behind in all the cities and towns arond the geographical area of New Orleans..

It was common knowledge that over 100,000 people in New Orleans relied on public transport, therefore why wasnt it suggested that all transport out of the immediate areas were free and hat the drivers of trains and buses were asked to get as many people out as possible? then

it comes to the young poor and infirm, most of these people would be in touch with atleast some, school, care, health agency...when they knew that the hurricane was upon them take the necessary action to get these vunerable people out...

but it goes without saying now, that these people are now dead.

and its precisly the rulers whom, represtented by bush, are looked at with such scorn because it is they and their policies of wealth creation that disenfranchised the now desperate and dead in the first place cos the most of the annual budget on health welfare and education has been slashed. This in a country were there is more money spent on prisons, homeland security (sic) and occupations abroad- nevermind the ruling class ...

hail the cheif....

I find this to be a strange post. I think most people are cowed by this disaster, both by the disaster itself, and the apparent neglect afterwards.

It has nothing to do with the ruling class, it has to do with the failure of a govt that takes our taxes and tells us that it, the govt, exists to react to these kinds of things..... and then it can't or won't.

Whether or not the poor of NO had faith in the ruling class, or in God or whatever, many of them are still dead, as are some who had no faith in the ruling class.

 

[james_walsh]

The boys are really outdoing themselves tonight. Penetrating analysis, facts, figures - you name it. No, the boys don't resort to one line responces or just posting pictures when those few thoughts dissipate.

They have all the answers. The boys know how to deal with a category 5 hurricane. Been there done that for them. They figured out how to deliver supplies and evacuate thousands on short notice.Experts on natural disasters.

Never underestimate the brillance of the European left.

If your system is so great, how come we never fuck up like this in western europe. Your in the same league as iran when it comes to copeing with natural disasters.
What was that shit about voting, i don`t think we have francise in england to vote for which ever idiot is in the whitehouse, (though we did burn it down once- a few bits of our imperial history we can be proud off).

 

[james_walsh]

I find this to be a strange post. I think most people are cowed by this disaster, both by the disaster itself, and the apparent neglect afterwards.

It has nothing to do with the ruling class, it has to do with the failure of a govt that takes our taxes and tells us that it, the govt, exists to react to these kinds of things..... and then it can't or won't.

Whether or not the poor of NO had faith in the ruling class, or in God or whatever, many of them are still dead, as are some who had no faith in the ruling class.

what are talking about ``it has nothing to do with the ruling class, it has to do with the failure of a govt that takes our taxes `thats the government of rulling class

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

what are talking about ``it has nothing to do with the ruling class, it has to do with the failure of a govt that takes our taxes `thats the government of rulling class

Don't you have the vote over there?

 

[pbman]

If your system is so great, how come we never fuck up like this in western europe. Your in the same league as iran when it comes to copeing with natural disasters.
What was that shit about voting, i don`t think we have francise in england to vote for which ever idiot is in the whitehouse, (though we did burn it down once- a few bits of our imperial history we can be proud off).

FNG

Polite as usual i see.

 

[james_walsh]

FNG

Polite as usual i see.

well thank you. good manners cost nothing.

 

[HST]

Nice to see PB can be so calm about the NO disaster. The rest of us are furious.

 

[pbman]

Nice to see PB can be so calm about the NO disaster. The rest of us are furious.

I'm used to urban, or i would be snapping pissed off, at you guys.

But i expect you guys to take cheap pathitic shots at us, and to play politics during a national emrgeceny.

And you don't let me down.

In anyevent, we will have time enough for the hanging after we get all the facts in.

Why do you guys pretend to be against lynch mobs anyways?

I see you like them.

 

[HST]

PB, I'm not trying to score political points here, but someone in the US government needs a kick up the arse because the response to NO is just inadequate...IMHO.

 

[james_walsh]

Why do you guys pretend to be against lynch mobs anyways?

I see you like them.

I don`t have a problem with `lynch mobs`( and nor does my political tradition), but its who`s thats being lynched that counts! and its good form to get the right guy.

 

[pbman]

I don`t have a problem with `lynch mobs`( and nor does my political tradition), but its who`s thats being lynched that counts! and its good form to get the right guy.

Ok then, normaly the locals don't like that, but you will get a total pass for saying that................

 

[pbman]

PB, I'm not trying to score political points here, but someone in the US government needs a kick up the arse because the response to NO is just inadequate...IMHO.

Don't you get tv?

They have been kicking ass all day long...........

The town should be complety empty in a few hours.

 

[HST]

But do you accept that just maybe the US govt reaction to the NO disaster was possibly a little bit less than adequate?

 

[fanta]

We don't sit around waiting for the federal gov't to solve the problem for us,or blame them for what is our responsibility.

I'm with Pbman & Mears on this one! Those who play the blame game are just the lefties, lazy and dumb. Shame on this so-called 'victim' for not getting of her ass and helping herself.

 

[Loki]

She deserved it though - New Orleans is a den of unchristian activities, it's God's righteous punishment.

 

[fanta]

Yeah, all she can do is sit there and desecrate the flag instead!

 

[pbman]

But do you accept that just maybe the US govt reaction to the NO disaster was possibly a little bit less than adequate?

Not in the slightest.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/03/AR2005090301680.html

REad this it will bring you up to speed, many of the points i have been making are in their.

Bush tolk the un precidented action of releasing the FEMA money before the storm even hit ffs.

 

[fanta]

Why isn't this lazy bastard putting that fucking fire out instead of rushing off to get a welfare check or whatever?!

 

[pbman]

Why isn't this lazy bastard putting that fucking fire out instead of rushing off to get a welfare check or whatever?!

 

[pbman]

She deserved it though - New Orleans is a den of unchristian activities, it's God's righteous punishment.

To identify a Straw Man Argument, you must be familiar enough with the topic in question to recognize when someone is setting up a caricature. Understanding when someone is using this deceptive tactic is the best way to call attention to the weakness of the straw man position.
A Straw Man Argument is a statement a person makes if they want to more easily attack an opposing position.

Let's take the following position: "Evolution has been the main engine of speciation throughout natural history."

A person using a Straw Man against that position will intentionally make a ridiculous caricature of evolution, one that only the most ignorant might believe. These are the steps they might use to try to "disprove evolution".

 

[Lock&Light]

Ok then, normaly the locals don't like that, but you will get a total pass for saying that................

I have no inclination to back up pbman, especially following his ridiculous postings over the last few days, but I do want to stress that not everyone who posts on Urban is in agreement with the stupid remarks about lynch mobs made by James Walsh.

 

[In Bloom]

I'm used to urban, or i would be snapping pissed off, at you guys.

But i expect you guys to take cheap pathitic shots at us, and to play politics during a national emrgeceny.

And you don't let me down.

In anyevent, we will have time enough for the hanging after we get all the facts in.

Why do you guys pretend to be against lynch mobs anyways?

I see you like them.

Fine, you caught us, its not about the poor, elderly and sick being left for fucking dead in hospitals and stadiums while the rich "haul ass" out of town in their SUVs and the busses don't move a fucking inch. Its not about people being left to starve for five days in the world's only superpower. Its all just about our irrational hatred of America

 

[Bernie Gunther]

He just doesn't get it. He's playing republican vs democrat when people are looking at what's happening and, in many cases, thinking if that's what the free market solving environmental and social problems looks like, it's a fucking disgrace and as human beings we need to find a better way.

"Socialism or barbarism" eh?