I have concerns about many things and some of those things are in conflict with each other.That's an awful lot of whataboutery and none of it will stop me expressing concern about the poorest part of Britain losing even more jobs.
Anglesey is still poorest part of Britain despite Welsh economy growing at fastest rate in UK
The latest GVA figures show a mixed picture for the regionwww.dailypost.co.uk
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If it was already the poorest part despite Welsh economic growth, perhaps something other than a transit route for Irish lorries is needed?
Pickman's model
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A theme park or garden bridge perhaps?
That's an awful lot of whataboutery and none of it will stop me expressing concern about the poorest part of Britain losing even more jobs.
Anglesey is still poorest part of Britain despite Welsh economy growing at fastest rate in UK
The latest GVA figures show a mixed picture for the region
whether direct Ireland - France sailings or use of Britain as a land bridge is is better environmentally and therefore the correct thing to transition to, can everyone at least agree that making that transition should have at the very least been a managed process rather than pulling the rug out from under people overnight?
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hiraethified
So apart from the jobs that now look likely to disappear, what practical suggestions do you have?
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
That's an awful lot of whataboutery and none of it will stop me expressing concern about the poorest part of Britain losing even more jobs.
Anglesey is still poorest part of Britain despite Welsh economy growing at fastest rate in UK
The latest GVA figures show a mixed picture for the region
Anglesey voted to leave - if by a whisker - so you don't have to worry about it.
Just like Port Talbot...
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hiraethified
Absolutely. and if I was in charge of things, I'd make it far more attractive to transport more goods by rail. And get the Royal Mail back on the tracks too.
Are you asking if Brexit has been poorly handled by this government? If so, I don't think you're going to get any disagreement from anyone, no.
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hiraethified
What an unpleasant attitude you have today. I'll worry about what I want to worry about, thanks, and that won't be dependent on the results of a highly flawed, misleading referendum.
Besides, it was probably the fault of the English anyway.
English people living in Wales tilted it towards Brexit, research finds
Areas of Wales with big English communities had larger leave vote in 2016, according to study
Also, if you were in charge of things, we'd be at war with a lot of different countries by now...
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hiraethified
I've really no idea what motivates you to spout such dishonest garbage - and insist on trying to make the debate personal - but I'd be interested is seeing you back this up. Exactly where have I declared an interest in the UK starting a war with anyone and what has that got to do with my comments about rail freight?
Lol. It was a reference to the fact that you are a touch... pugnacious. Which you have kindly illustrated in the very post that you used to object to the characterisation.
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The reason why routes from Ireland to mainland Europe have been changing is because of borders.
The land border issue on the island of Ireland remains (for me) a huge problem brought about by the leave vote and leavers are yet to suggest a realistic workable long term solution.
The land border issue on the island of Ireland remains (for me) a huge problem brought about by the leave vote and leavers are yet to suggest a realistic workable long term solution.
The39thStep
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Marvellous word pugnacious
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hiraethified
It's not me who's dishing out the cheap personal critiques and making up bullshit to try and get a rise.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It was just a joke. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who has noticed over the years that Ed could have a fight in a nunnery.
Excellent. I do love a man who knows himself.It's not me who's dishing out the cheap personal critiques and making up bullshit to try and get a rise.
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Surely that's something the Welsh and Anglesey administrations would be better placed to answer than me. What contingency plans have they put in place since the referendum in 2016 to provide employment for those affected by reduced port traffic?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
You most recent posts don't come across as jovial banter. More like nasty digs.
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hiraethified
Maybe if you found yourself on the receiving end of such comments every single day, you might feel the same.
If you've finished delivering your negative personal critique, perhaps we might get back to discussing Brexit?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I don't think you've quite grasped what discussion boards are for
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hiraethified
What practical options do you think the poorest part of Britain might have available to them?
Well, that's what happens when somebody doesnt see the funny side of their own character and responds by escalating tension instead of laughing along. It does indeed stop being funny (despite the ironic humour in seeing a behaviour denied via a reaction that exemplifies the very reactive typology that is being denied). I will remember that all references to Ed are to be Deathly Serious from now on and Zip It.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
What an unpleasant attitude you have today. Besides it was probably the fault of the English anyway.
English people living in Wales tilted it towards Brexit, research finds
Areas of Wales with big English communities had larger leave vote in 2016, according to studywww.theguardian.com
We'll brush over your short - or perhaps convenient - memory regarding your somewhat unpleasant attitude towards the closure of the Port Talbot steelworks shortly after the referendum, I seem to recall you crowing about it being the workers own fault because they were so stupid to vote to leave...
Shall we move on to your rabid, and exclusionary nationalism? I wonder if you would describe people from Pakistan, India, the Caribbean, or Europe who had moved to, and settled in,Wales in such a way - no, of course not, they would be Welsh, because they live in Wales. How odd then that you would single out another nationality for apparent crimes - one might almost believe you harboured some loathing prejudice against people based purely on where they were born and their accent...
So no, I don't believe that your horror at these job losses is remotely real - in fact I'm sure that had the UK remained in the EU and direct ferry routes between mainland Europe and Ireland been brought in, with their attendant environmental benefits for those who live on the road routes, you'd have been perfectly happy. Perhaps you would have been sad about the job losses in what is an already chronically deprived area, but you'd have accepted them as the inevitable, and necessary, price for wider environmental protection.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
You made a joke. The object of your joke took it the wrong way, and your response to that was 'lol'.
Who was the one escalating the tension in that exchange?
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hiraethified
Link please. Thanks.
I can only find this from the 'Redcar Save Our Steel, Port Talbot and UK steelworks fight for their future' thread':
Who was your 'eco warrior' comment aimed at earlier, by the way and why is was it relevant to this thread?
Oh, and you can get to fuck with this ridiculous claim of my 'rabid nationalism.'
It's like Ad Hominem day in this thread.
Be really great if people could get back to the actual topic now rather than blaming me for not 'laughing along' to unfunny nasty digs. .
People give as well as they get around here, you know that.
You're not helping at all, tbf.
It's alright, boss man, I've Zipped It.
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Well, having had a look at the issue and read some of the comments of Rhun ap Iorwerth my suggestion for the short term would be to go hard on tourism as lockdown eases. Plenty of scope for attracting domestic tourists and hosting events. Secondly I'd acknowledge that its popularity as a retirement destination has affected local GDP figures, but I'd capitalise on that and aim to attract higher net worth retirees, for example by leveraging the entire-coast AONB (red squirrels! auks!).
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