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[Flavour]

As an aside I find this whole character definition based on supermarket of choice thing to be really weird.

 

[Supine]

Are you being sponsored by Waitrose?

Artisan farm shop shopper with class guilt issues

 

[editor]

It’s been mentioned several times on this thread. But discounted, ridiculed, labelled not a benefit, can’t be measured in increased Waitrose food budgets.

What is is with you and Waitrose?

 

[The39thStep]

As an aside I find this whole character definition based on supermarket of choice thing to be really weird.

What about people who self identify with a supermarket chain though; ethos, range of items, niche goods, value etc?

 

[two sheds]

It's a whole ignored dimension of in-depth Brexit voter analysis.

 

[kabbes]

Didn't kabbes say it in the ill fated (but which is not to be mentioned) Brexit benefits thread?


(sorry and it is a good one)

You’re right, I did. Somebody posted a picture labelled “we’ve disappeared” showing the new ferry routes and I noted that this is a benefit not a negative.

 

[Flavour]

What about people who self identify with a supermarket chain though; ethos, range of items, niche goods, value etc?

I feel deeply sorry for such people

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

It’s easier to shoplift in Waitrose than Aldi.

 

[TopCat]

I feel deeply sorry for such people

I am like this with Lidl.

 

[BobDavis]

It’s easier to shoplift in Waitrose than Aldi.

Aldi is piss easy so I will have to try Waitrose. Thanks for the heads up.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Does this mean we'll have to go to, gulp... the provinces daaaahling?

Considering the pride in which the government has taken over how much soft power the UK has in both the EU and developing countries over the years it's not a good look.

The UK’s soft power challenge | British Council

The UK’s soft power pre-eminence is vital for its post-Brexit future, but increasingly being challenged. Insight looks at the latest evidence.

www.britishcouncil.org

 

[mojo pixy]

Does this mean we'll have to go to, gulp... the provinces daaaahling?

Of course not .. that was where they voted Leave .. they simply don't deserve culture.

 

[Artaxerxes]

It's fascinating to read these threads, it's like a switch was flipped on 1st January and automatically any problems with brexit are now solely dismissed as middle class fantasy.

I'd just like to discuss actual effects of this shit rather than descend into strawman Waitrose Vs Racists circlejerking.

Fuck it, I'm out, threads going on ignore.

 

[Pickman's model]

It's fascinating to read these threads, it's like a switch was flipped on 1st January and automatically any problems with brexit are now solely dismissed as middle class fantasy.

I'd just like to discuss actual effects of this shit rather than descend into strawman Waitrose Vs Racists circlejerking.

Fuck it, I'm out, threads going on ignore.

Good, we can start the proper discussion now

 

[two sheds]

Good, we can start the proper discussion now

No, the rest of us are still here

 

[BobDavis]

Brexit was always going to require leaving the customs union otherwise it would be “brexit in name only” & worse than staying in because the UK would be rule takers without a seat at the table to help to make the rules. That is not opinion that is fact.

Anybody who had worked in transport including myself knew perfectly well from the start that leaving the customs union/single market would require a return to customs clearance. There are many strands to customs clearance depending on what you are importing & exporting. Vat must be paid. Every entry must be correct or the whole lot is thrown back at you & the truck goes nowhere. To do this work small companies must pay for the services of a customs clearance service provider & large companies must set up new or enlarge their existing customs clearance office facility.

While we were EU members only 30% of our imports & exports needed customs clearance ie rest of world. The rest of it was to or from EU destinations. Customs clearance work is boring & requires absolute accuracy. Slap dash people need not apply. Going from one to the other overnight ie 30% to 100% customs clearance with little preparation for ideological reasons was always going to cause major problems.

The government cannot have been so stupid as not to realise this. They would have been fully advised anyway. This is people against parliament though so get brexit done & fuck everything else. The remainer handwringing showbiz luvvies will get not one jot of sympathy from angry shouty brexity 50 something ex punks will they?

No sympathy either from multi millionaire rock aristocracy aka rock dinosaur has beens like Roger Daltry. ”Fuck me we toured Europe ok in the 60s wiv our Strats & Marshalls & the whole band stuffed in the back of a knackered old Ford Thames van” etc blah !

Reality is when people made redundant from reasonably good jobs & also school leavers with a few exam results are trained to work in both public & private sector customs clearance things will improve & bands can tour again. What is undeniable is that brexit has brought a whole new raft of costs due to a change from a system that was designed partly by Thatcher to remove those costs.

I recall loading my truck pre customs union at a poultry factory. I was loading bales of feathers for export to Holland. The load was put on quick enough. Then I sat at that stinking shit hole for another 4 hours waiting for the vet to arrive to arrive to sign a bit of paper. Welcome back to all that.

 

[Pickman's model]

Brexit was always going to require leaving the customs union otherwise it would be “brexit in name only” & worse than staying in because the UK would be rule takers without a seat at the table to help to make the rules. That is not opinion that is fact.

Anybody who had worked in transport including myself knew perfectly well from the start that leaving the customs union/single market would require a return to customs clearance. There are many strands to customs clearance depending on what you are importing & exporting. Vat must be paid. Every entry must be correct or the whole lot is thrown back at you & the truck goes nowhere. To do this work small companies must pay for the services of a customs clearance service provider & large companies must set up new or enlarge their existing customs clearance office facility.

While we were EU members only 30% of our imports & exports needed customs clearance ie rest of world. The rest of it was to or from EU destinations. Customs clearance work is boring & requires absolute accuracy. Slap dash people need not apply. Going from one to the other overnight ie 30% to 100% customs clearance with little preparation for ideological reasons was always going to cause major problems.

The government cannot have been so stupid as not to realise this. They would have been fully advised anyway. This is people against parliament though so get brexit done & fuck everything else. The remainer handwringing showbiz luvvies will get not one jot of sympathy from angry shouty brexity 50 something ex punks will they?

No sympathy either from multi millionaire rock aristocracy aka rock dinosaur has beens like Roger Daltry. ”Fuck me we toured Europe ok in the 60s wiv our Strats & Marshalls & the whole band stuffed in the back of a knackered old Ford Thames van” etc blah !

Reality is when people made redundant from reasonably good jobs & also school leavers with a few exam results are trained to work in both public & private sector customs clearance things will improve & bands can tour again. What is undeniable is that brexit has brought a whole new raft of costs due to a change from a system that was designed partly by Thatcher to remove those costs.

I recall loading my truck pre customs union at a poultry factory. I was loading bales of feathers for export to Holland. The load was put on quick enough. Then I sat at that stinking shit hole for another 4 hours waiting for the vet to arrive to arrive to sign a bit of paper. Welcome back to all that.

The UK are still rule takers unless you think leaving at midnight Brussels time was Johnson's idea and if you haven't noticed who is inflicting what upon who

 

[BobDavis]

The UK are still rule takers unless you think leaving at midnight Brussels time was Johnson's idea and if you haven't noticed who is inflicting what upon who

Well of course. Doing any sort of “free” trade deal with the massively larger entity of the EU was never going to favour the UK. After threatening to leave with no deal over fishing Johnson sold the UK fishing community down the river & out to sea for example. Average leave voters tired of the whole thing who have not really noticed any difference as the supermarket shelves have remained full will not really notice this I doubt. I wonder if they would have noticed if we had stayed in the customs union/single market ?

 

[bimble]

The government cannot have been so stupid as not to realise this. They would have been fully advised anyway. This is people against parliament though so get brexit done & fuck everything else.

Do you mean the government is against parliament & on the same side as ‘the people’ and that’s why they didn’t prepare ? I think the other explanation, ie stupidity, is more viable.

 

[Pickman's model]

Well of course. Doing any sort of “free” trade deal with the massively larger entity of the EU was never going to favour the UK. After threatening to leave with no deal over fishing Johnson sold the UK fishing community down the river & out to sea for example. Average leave voters tired of the whole thing who have not really noticed any difference as the supermarket shelves have remained full will not really notice this I doubt. I wonder if they would have noticed if we had stayed in the customs union/single market ?

Oh they've noticed something in the six counties

 

[ska invita]

It's fascinating to read these threads, it's like a switch was flipped on 1st January and automatically any problems with brexit are now solely dismissed as middle class fantasy. I'd just like to discuss actual effects of this shit rather than descend into strawman Waitrose Vs Racists circlejerking. Fuck it, I'm out, threads going on ignore.

GOOD
Go home to waitrose and take your snide liberal accusations of racism with you


seriously though thats why the trolling is so shit - it kills threads and stops people from engaging

 

[rutabowa]

That more or less sums up the situation at the moment. They panicked and signed an absurd deal that doesn't work. Various things will remain fucked up until they fix it. And fixing it will inevitably involve closer alignment with the EU on various matters. And the fact that we're in a pandemic is rather masking the extent of the fuck up at the moment, while it also contributed massively to allowing the fuck up to happen with minimal democratic scrutiny.

I don't think the effect of covid on it's own can be overstated. I guess the proof will be looking at the effects on the arts across europe in a year's time. Don't think many industries could deal with 2 years with no income.

 

[andysays]

Isn't there supposed to be a special thread just for discussion of how Brexit has affected/will affect touring musicians and other performers?

If all that discussion is going to go on here, maybe that thread can be closed, just like the benefits of Brexit one was...

 

[Raheem]

What about people who self identify with a supermarket chain though; ethos, range of items, niche goods, value etc?

I say live and let live, although there's people on the internet who say you can only call yourself a supermarket if you were born with aisles.

 

[editor]

Isn't there supposed to be a special thread just for discussion of how Brexit has affected/will affect touring musicians and other performers?

If all that discussion is going to go on here, maybe that thread can be closed, just like the benefits of Brexit one was...

Posts moved here: Brexit - impact on musicians, touring and the music/events industry

 

[bimble]

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GOOD
Go home to waitrose and take your snide liberal accusations of racism with you


seriously though thats why the trolling is so shit - it kills threads and stops people from engaging

Theres no point trying to talk about the effects of brexit though is there. Everyone seems agreed there’s not going to be any particular good news for between 10-50 years and talk about any bad news impacts is obvs just Waitrose whining, so thread should be closed & reopened in a decade or so.

 

[BobDavis]

Oh they've noticed something in the six counties

The ”average leave voter” I referred to lives in England not NI. Apologies for sounding parochial. No offence taken or given I would hope ?

 

[bimble]

A government paid for advert linking to this just appeared on my twitter, these are the new rules, the points & salary based system, that they need to follow if a business wants to employ people from outside the UK.

UK points-based immigration system: employer information

Information for employers on the UK’s points-based immigration system.

pbisemployers.campaign.gov.uk

I think this is where, once covid is over and things re-open, we’ll start to notice what’s changed more, though maybe only apparent in big cities.


I think there’s going to be a lot of ‘shortage occupations’.

 

[ska invita]

Theres no point trying to talk about the effects of brexit though is there. Everyone seems agreed there’s not going to be any particular good news for between 10-50 years and talk about any bad news impacts is obvs just Waitrose whining, so thread should be closed & reopened in a decade or so.

Going back and reading the Lexit What Is To Be Done thread (2017) there was a seemingly unanimous recognition by all that Brexit would create 'problems' that would at the minimum require work to defend existing positions/rights against roll backs. Beyond that there was a sense of urgent work to reoccupy the space that the right had got a boost from via Brexit.
That talk seems to have been replaced with just saying STOP MOANING

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Everyone seems agreed there’s not going to be any particular good news for between 10-50 years