brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yeah, but it's perfectly possible to be pro European (WTFTM) and think the supra-state is a stinking edifice.
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gosub
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Is a bit like the lot who say their communist and then say how the countries that had periods under communist regime weren't actually communist
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
So you think this is just about their vaccine job?
Yossarian
⏭️
German scientists won the vaccine race, but I think that may have been overshadowed a little by Donald Trump claiming the Pfizer/BioNTech was the product of American know-how and "Operation Warp Speed."
gosub
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By the time Trump left office, the US were administering 900,000 vaccines a day. As much as Trump is slagged off, Biden is pushing it to 1million vaccinations a day whilst admitting it will have little impact on US trajectory. iirc the lead Scientist at Pfizer is a Turk working in Germany of all the relevancy that has.
Flavour
hang the bankers
The negative here is how much the tory media will use it to drum up support for this murderous government. The UK may have the moral high ground with the EU over the vaccine in this case, but the UK government have still been #worldbeating bad in covid response over all and that cannot, must not be overshadowed by flicking Vs for Victory at Ursula Von the Wigan
gosub
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But that just adds to fucked offness at EU's sense of entitlement for demanding UK vaccine.
If and when they end up with UK supply they can fucking reimburse @UK prices too
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Some good news , AZ have now said they will deliver the company will also expand manufacturing capacity in Europe. an additional 9 million doses in the first quarter and will start deliveries a week earlier. The company will also expand manufacturing capacity in Europe.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
'The best advert for Brexit': European press reacts to EU Covid vaccine row
Continental newspapers give harsh verdicts on the European commission’s actions
bimble
floofy
Is this news completely unconnected with the tantrum thrown by U vd L and co and the threat last night of legal action against the company ? Would AZ have changed their tune and found a way to fulfil their order without all that drama? Who knows.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Its connected to the order the EU put in. The EU dont have a leg to stand on re suing anyone unless they change their law retrospectively.
bimble
floofy
but its 9 million more doses than they were told they could have last week , was just wondering how come. If throwing a tantrum got then 9 million extra vaccine doses at the cost of looking really stupid for a day then arguably thats a result. idk.
You don’t think there might have been a better, more efficient and also less politically damaging way for the EU to achieve the goal of getting 50% of its initial target rather than 40% in return for allowing its own capacity to be used in future to send vaccines in the opposite direction?
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Given that AZ have pulled an absolute blinder in getting their vaccine developed and into production, and that they are a serious company who know that being able to produce the goods is the way to a profitable future, and that setting up production lines is not something you can do in panicked phone calls over a weekend, I think they would probably have done this without the efforts of a bunch of howling shit-monkeys who have been shown - in one day - to be utterly fucking useless at both contract law and international diplomacy.
I mean, that's just my take....
bimble
floofy
Yes, I am not suggesting they've played a brilliant 4d chess move or anything, the whole debacle has only added to the ways in which the EU's vaccine efforts look really bad, just surprised that AZ needed any pressure to do its best effort, reasonable or not.
Why do you think they needed pressure? What makes you think the EU might not even have got a better result without turning it into brinkmanship?
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Astra Zenica have scaled up production as they said they would. The EU have not even paid the bill yet.
bimble
floofy
Only because last week AZ told the EU they would be unable to send them these 90 million, and today they have promised to do so a week early? Of course they may have just come up with new ideas in the intervening days about how to step up production, unrelated to events. I dont know what your second question means, i need coffee.
bimble
floofy
When did you find this massive union jack was it in your pocket the whole time ?
TopCat
Putin fanboy
It's taken a couple of days (because of shame) but the remain smears and abuse are back!
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
I keep it for special occasions.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
It’s far more likely that AZ have been pulling out all the stops to supply the product for weeks and months because they actually want to deliver and maintain their reputation, than it is that they’ve just released a shitload of vaccine that they had hidden under the bed and have just released because the EU have been massive cunts for the last 72 hours.
bimble
floofy
abuse! smears!
Sure, that makes sense. Just means they made an error in their announcement a few days ago telling the EU what their best effort would achieve this quarter.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
You don't have to watch, no-one is forcing you to. I grant sometimes it's hard to watch people doing dastardly things and bite your tongue rather than speak up, but not every battle is worth fighting.
No, it seems that the EU have had to agree to a concession to get this.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
The EU commission in general (and VDL in particular) have ballsed it up massively and people are understandingly gloating over it. But so what? we've discovered is what we have long suspected, that EU politicians are as self-serving and insensitive bunch as our own shower of shit.
Is this a surprise to anyone? Did we really think we were unlucky enough to be stuck with the world's entire cunt supply?
For all this has shown them up in a bad light, the EU is still neither the Empire of Evil nor The Shining Beacon on the Hill that so many people try and paint it. And still so far all evidence is that of the only 2 alternatives there were ever actually possible we choose the wrong one.
Is this a surprise to anyone? Did we really think we were unlucky enough to be stuck with the world's entire cunt supply?
For all this has shown them up in a bad light, the EU is still neither the Empire of Evil nor The Shining Beacon on the Hill that so many people try and paint it. And still so far all evidence is that of the only 2 alternatives there were ever actually possible we choose the wrong one.
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Supine
Newt Member
agree with this. Not sure why there is so much pro Brexit gloating at the moment. Big mistake s made on the EU's part but also a taste of what its like to be a third country. Id still much prefer a seat at the table, helping to positively influence the EU, rather than being a competitor.
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