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[TopCat]

And still so far all evidence is that of the only 2 alternatives there were ever actually possible we choose the wrong one.

I am glad we chose to leave. Fuck their project.

 

[bimble]

No, it seems that the EU have had to agree to a concession to get this.

Haven’t seen anything about that.
there was this though, which looks a lot like wrangling.

EU holds out for more after AstraZeneca offered 8 million extra COVID-19 shots

AstraZeneca offered eight million more doses of its COVID-19 vaccine to the European Union to try to defuse a row over supplies, but the bloc said that was too far short of what was originally promised, an EU official told Reuters.

www.reuters.com

 

[teuchter]

We can all, especially here on urban75, be glad that in the end, whatever bickering is going on between governments and their public sector procurement teams, a private corporation has stepped up to the plate and found a solution driven by pragmatism and efficiency. Imagine what a mess we'd be in if all the pharmaceutical production had been natonalised.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

The EU commission in general (and VDL in particular) have ballsed it up massively and people are understandingly gloating over it. But so what? we've discovered is what we have long suspected, that EU politicians are as self-serving and insensitive bunch as our own shower of shit.
Is this a surprise to anyone? Did we really think we were unlucky enough to be stuck with the world's entire cunt supply?

You may have long suspected it, but if you are being honest there is a large segment of the remain vote for whom this has come as something of a shock. That group fully swallowed the constructed narrative of the civilised EU and a Blairite, middle class identity of 'paint a rainbow' values. In their minds eye, the "European Union" was a land to escape from “ghastly" provincial England. These events, as you suggest, have revealed a rather different reality.

Just like the segment of leave supporters who have illusions about an inevitable return to a ‘Great Britain’ around imagined homogeneous values too much of the debate has been based on fantasy

 

[Pickman's model]

We can all, especially here on urban75, be glad that in the end, whatever bickering is going on between governments and their public sector procurement teams, a private corporation has stepped up to the plate and found a solution driven by pragmatism and efficiency.

so you did get a ppe contract

 

[kabbes]

Haven’t seen anything about that.
there was this though, which looks a lot like wrangling.

EU holds out for more after AstraZeneca offered 8 million extra COVID-19 shots

AstraZeneca offered eight million more doses of its COVID-19 vaccine to the European Union to try to defuse a row over supplies, but the bloc said that was too far short of what was originally promised, an EU official told Reuters.

www.reuters.com

I got it from here:

COVID-19: AstraZeneca set to supply nine million more coronavirus vaccine doses to EU after row over shortages

The extra jabs will come in the first three months of 2021, making a total of 40 million doses for that period, says an EU chief.

news.sky.com

Speaking to German television, Ms Von der Leyen said she had agreed with Prime Minister Boris Johnson that vaccine factories in the UK and Europe would deliver doses to each region.

So the UK factories will deliver to the EU but the reciprocal arrangement is also true.

 

[bimble]

I got it from here:

COVID-19: AstraZeneca set to supply nine million more coronavirus vaccine doses to EU after row over shortages

The extra jabs will come in the first three months of 2021, making a total of 40 million doses for that period, says an EU chief.

news.sky.com

So the UK factories will deliver to the EU but the reciprocal arrangement is also true.

Uk factories will deliver to the EU now or at some point in the future?

 

[kebabking]

Uk factories will deliver to the EU now or at some point in the future?

As factories and supply chains in Europe will deliver into the UK...

 

[bimble]

As factories and supply chains in Europe will deliver into the UK...

All very vague isn’t it.
I’m interested what it means, is UK produced Astra Z Vaccine going to be exported to EU now or at some unspecified future time? Seems unlikely EU’s failing factories are going to be shipping vaccine to us tomorrow morning but maybe.

But sorry do carry on, don’t want to interrupt the big brass band celebrating the vanquishing of our enemies in your head.

 

[teuchter]

According to this article the Irish prime minister does not see the EU article 16 mess-up as a hostile move, is ok with how it was dealt with, and thinks much of the blame is with AZ.

That'll be a disappointment for those here who are so keen to get one over on the EU that they are now siding with the big pharma corp.

COVID-19: Irish PM says EU was 'blindsided' by 'nasty' vaccine row and Brexit border arrangement became 'collateral damage'

Micheal Martin urged all parties to now work together "to make sure something like this doesn't happen again".

news.sky.com

 

[Pickman's model]

According to this article the Irish prime minister does not see the EU article 16 mess-up as a hostile move, is ok with how it was dealt with, and thinks much of the blame is with AZ.

That'll be a disappointment for those here who are so keen to get one over on the EU that they are now siding with the big pharma corp.

COVID-19: Irish PM says EU was 'blindsided' by 'nasty' vaccine row and Brexit border arrangement became 'collateral damage'

Micheal Martin urged all parties to now work together "to make sure something like this doesn't happen again".

news.sky.com

hwstwh

 

[kebabking]

According to this article the Irish prime minister does not see the EU article 16 mess-up as a hostile move, is ok with how it was dealt with, and thinks much of the blame is with AZ.

That'll be a disappointment for those here who are so keen to get one over on the EU that they are now siding with the big pharma corp.

COVID-19: Irish PM says EU was 'blindsided' by 'nasty' vaccine row and Brexit border arrangement became 'collateral damage'

Micheal Martin urged all parties to now work together "to make sure something like this doesn't happen again".

news.sky.com

Interestingly that's not what he was saying at the weekend, nor what his Foreign Minister was saying at the weekend.

It's called diplomacy.

 

[kebabking]

All very vague isn’t it.
I’m interested what it means, is UK produced Astra Z Vaccine going to be exported to EU now or at some unspecified future time? Seems unlikely EU’s failing factories are going to be shipping vaccine to us tomorrow morning but maybe.

But sorry do carry on, don’t want to interrupt the big brass band celebrating the vanquishing of our enemies in your head.

You need to stop thinking about 'the vaccine', and think about 'all the different things that go into making a vaccine'.

 

[Spymaster]

According to this article the Irish prime minister does not see the EU article 16 mess-up as a hostile move, is ok with how it was dealt with, and thinks much of the blame is with AZ.

Who can blame him? The overlords have just shown him the type of hand they're capable of playing. Poor bloke's probably shitting himself and has jumped straight back into line.

 

[Artaxerxes]

The EU commission in general (and VDL in particular) have ballsed it up massively and people are understandingly gloating over it. But so what? we've discovered is what we have long suspected, that EU politicians are as self-serving and insensitive bunch as our own shower of shit.
Is this a surprise to anyone? Did we really think we were unlucky enough to be stuck with the world's entire cunt supply?
For all this has shown them up in a bad light, the EU is still neither the Empire of Evil nor The Shining Beacon on the Hill that so many people try and paint it. And still so far all evidence is that of the only 2 alternatives there were ever actually possible we choose the wrong one.

I am glad we chose to leave. Fuck their project.

Its great we left the horrors of the incompetent monkey pit for the safety of the deranged lion pen.

 

[Spymaster]

Interestingly that's not what he was saying at the weekend, nor what his Foreign Minister was saying at the weekend.

Looks like Michael's had his arse kicked over the weekend.

 

[kebabking]

Looks like Michael's had his arse kicked over the weekend.

More 'understands where his bread is buttered'. The row isn't helpful to Ireland, what matters to Ireland is getting the vaccine, there being no border fuss, and the EU structures and personalities being educated about quite how dangerous and damaging this idiocy was. Those things are better achieved behind closed doors, with them understanding quite how angry and appalled Ireland is by this idiocy, but without public shouting.

 

[The39thStep]

All very vague isn’t it.
I’m interested what it means, is UK produced Astra Z Vaccine going to be exported to EU now or at some unspecified future time? Seems unlikely EU’s failing factories are going to be shipping vaccine to us tomorrow morning but maybe.

But sorry do carry on, don’t want to interrupt the big brass band celebrating the vanquishing of our enemies in your head.

At some time in the future.

 

[The39thStep]

Interestingly that's not what he was saying at the weekend, nor what his Foreign Minister was saying at the weekend.

It's called diplomacy.

Yup, there's been an effort by all sides to try and de-escalate last weeks tantrum.

 

[The39thStep]

 

[gosub]

Way to row back from a row where you've made the DUP look reasonable.

 

[Supine]

Saying you made a mistake is refreshing. Can't wait to see Johnson do that about his multiple fuck ups

 

[Artaxerxes]

Phillip Hammond has done an interview and he's not shy of kicking everyone in it.

Brexit Witness Archive - Philip Hammond

Lord Hammond on why he wanted Britain to remain in the EU as a Eurosceptic, how Theresa May’s Brexit plan developed, and trying to prevent ‘No Deal’ from the backbenches.

ukandeu.ac.uk

 

[Pickman's model]

Phillip Hammond has done an interview and he's not shy of kicking everyone in it.

Brexit Witness Archive - Philip Hammond

Lord Hammond on why he wanted Britain to remain in the EU as a Eurosceptic, how Theresa May’s Brexit plan developed, and trying to prevent ‘No Deal’ from the backbenches.

ukandeu.ac.uk

my first thought when i saw that was who the fuck is philip hammond, my second was what a change from when he did kids' tv on bbc1

 

[ska invita]

Phillip Hammond has done an interview and he's not shy of kicking everyone in it.

Brexit Witness Archive - Philip Hammond

Lord Hammond on why he wanted Britain to remain in the EU as a Eurosceptic, how Theresa May’s Brexit plan developed, and trying to prevent ‘No Deal’ from the backbenches.

ukandeu.ac.uk

my first thought was who the fuck too
my second was:

 

[Artaxerxes]

 

[Rushy]

Singling out the leader of the Catholic church as the only infallible individual on the planet seems like another remarkably ill considered move for a Western politician.

 

[Pickman's model]

Singling out the leader of the Catholic church as the only infallible individual on the planet seems like another remarkably ill considered move for a Western politician.

his infallibility limited to issues of theology and this notion anyway only proposed in the nineteenth century

 

[gosub]

his infallibility limited to issues of theology and this notion anyway only proposed in the nineteenth century

presumably the spokesman for the EUropean Commission 'accidently' forgot that caveat

 

[brogdale]

Von Harrach appears wildly unfamiliar with the infallibility of Johnson's entire cabinet.