The big Brexit thread - news, updates and discussion

[brogdale]

So all those Merc driving farmy cunts who plastered their fields with VoteLeave banners now expect us to bail them out of the inevitable shitshow.

How much of the current trauma is temporary remains to be seen, but that is not an issue. Leaving the customs union – not to mention other features of the single market – was an ideological whim. The victims of this whim manifestly deserve compensation every bit as much as those suffering from lockdown: both are bearing a crippling personal cost for a benefit, real or supposed, to the nation as a whole. In the case of Brexit, the damage is plainly the result of a political decision and its incompetent implementation. It is a massive regulatory failure. As ministers claim the decision to leave the customs union is greatly to the benefit of all, then all should pay its losers.

 

[The39thStep]

Is this news completely unconnected with the tantrum thrown by U vd L and co and the threat last night of legal action against the company ? Would AZ have changed their tune and found a way to fulfil their order without all that drama? Who knows.

Given that legal action would take years to be resolved and the vaccines are required now probably not , the threat of legal action is for the crowds. I welcome the increase but its still %)% down on the initial estimated delivery. The other good news is that without any threats of legal action BioNTech/ Pfizer will deliver 75 million of additional doses in the second quarter of the year - and up to 600 millions in total in 2021.

 

[TopCat]

Singling out the leader of the Catholic church as the only infallible individual on the planet seems like another remarkably ill considered move for a Western politician.

Especially given his history as a child rape apologist.

 

[2hats]

Given that legal action would take years to be resolved and the vaccines are required now probably not , the threat of legal action is for the crowds.

At the current rate of knots, AZD1222 won't maintain efficacy for "years".

 

[Pickman's model]

At the current rate of knots, AZD1222 won't maintain efficacy for "years".

months on a good day

 

[editor]

So I went to buy something off music gear site Thomann.de. I've now absolutely no idea how much extra I'd have to pay so I'll just give up. FUCK BREXIT

All EU based retailers sending parcels to the UK now have to fill out customs declaration forms and customers may also have to pay customs or VAT (Value Added Tax) charges, depending on the value of the products and the destination of the order.

As it is customary with all our customers from outside of the EU, we provide VAT free prices online and any additional customs charges are the responsibility of the customer.

Now, we understand that with more than 40 years of the UK being part of the EU, many customers may be caught unaware of the fact that the rules have changed since the UK’s official exit. This is why we have been communicating this information with you in various ways, on our products pages, at the shopping basket, on the check-out page, on our FAQ and shipping pages and on our Order Confirmation emails.

So, according to these new regulations, VAT will be added and charged by us after processing an order only if the net value of the items is equal or less than 135.00 GBP or if the delivery will be to Northern Ireland (we’ll get back to you lovely folks a little later). We will then send you an Order Confirmation email that will include the new price inclusive of VAT. In these cases, no additional fee should be paid upon delivery.

Orders on or below 135,00 GBP will incur a 8,00 GBP shipping fee. Please note, this is paid to Thomann and is not related to the fees paid to the courier.

The VAT (20%) and possible additional handling fees will have to be paid to the courier upon delivery for all other orders with the only exception being special VAT-free zones (e.g Channel Islands). Additionally, we no longer accept UK VAT numbers except for Northern Ireland.

If you are wondering what those additional fees will be, allow us to share all the information we have gathered so far below:

Government Charges: UPS will take care of all the official paperwork and payment of the VAT on your behalf and they will pass that cost to you on their invoice. From our limited experience so far, the Government Charges consist of the 20% VAT plus a small amount for the paperwork involved (usually around 2.5%).

Brokerage Charges: UPS will charge a minimum of 11.50 GBP for their service.

 

[brogdale]

So I went to buy something off music gear site Thomann.de. I've now absolutely no idea how much extra I'd have to pay so I'll just give up. FUCK BREXIT

Yep, I've told son & heir to look after the Behringer Amplifier he got from them.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

So I went to buy something off music gear site Thomann.de. I've now absolutely no idea how much extra I'd have to pay so I'll just give up. FUCK BREXIT

If the stuff you want costs more than £135 you will pay 20% VAT to the courier company plus their charge of 2.5% or £11.50, whichever is the greater. The price you pay to the retailer will be less German VAT, currently 19%.

hth

 

[editor]

If the stuff you want costs more than £135 you will pay 20% VAT to the courier company plus their charge of 2.5% or £11.50, whichever is the greater. The price you pay to the retailer will be less German VAT, currently 19%.

hth

And is this just a random eight quid for orders below that amount?

"Orders on or below 135,00 GBP will incur a 8,00 GBP shipping fee. Please note, this is paid to Thomann and is not related to the fees paid to the courier."

Brexit: pointlessly complicating things and confusing consumers while charging them more.

 

[Pickman's model]

And is this just a random eight quid for orders below that amount?

"Orders on or below 135,00 GBP will incur a 8,00 GBP shipping fee. Please note, this is paid to Thomann and is not related to the fees paid to the courier. "

sounds like it's to do with the paperwork

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

And is this just a random eight quid for orders below that amount?

"Orders on or below 135,00 GBP will incur a 8,00 GBP shipping fee. Please note, this is paid to Thomann and is not related to the fees paid to the courier."

Brexit: pointlessly complicating things and confusing consumers while charging them more.

That says it is the shipping fee, which is part of the cost to ship the stuff, no?

 

[Pickman's model]

That says it is the shipping fee, which is part of the cost to ship the stuff, no?

so where's the courier come in? i'd have thought that money paid to the delivery people (the courier) would count as shipping, so i think the shipping fee is the fee for dealing with the brexit paperwork related to shipping

 

[TopCat]

Pretty straightforward.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

so where's the courier come in? i'd have thought that money paid to the delivery people (the courier) would count as shipping, so i think the shipping fee is the fee for dealing with the brexit paperwork related to shipping

Yeah, for smaller purchases they seem to charge a fee to cover their time in arranging the courier etc. Fairly standard, in the U.K. these charges get bundled under P&P.

 

[editor]

Yeah, for smaller purchases they seem to charge a fee to cover their time in arranging the courier etc. Fairly standard, in the U.K. these charges get bundled under P&P.

Funny how it was so much easier in the past - pre-Brexit - with no swathes of text to trawl through to get the price. And no additional fees.

 

[Spymaster]

Yep, I've told son & heir to look after the Behringer Amplifier he got from them.

I wouldn't worry too much. Hopefully your son can understand pretty simple instructions!

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Funny how it was so much easier in the past - pre-Brexit - with no swathes of text to trawl through to get the price. And no additional fees.

Not sure this £8 has anything to do with Brexit, if you ask them to ship to Sweden they charge SEK99 shipping on all orders under SEK2099, which mirrors the £8 for orders under £135 for the U.K.

 

[toblerone3]

so where's the courier come in? i'd have thought that money paid to the delivery people (the courier) would count as shipping, so i think the shipping fee is the fee for dealing with the brexit paperwork related to shipping

Exactly I just got charged nearly £100 in import fees including £88.46 in "government charges" and £11.50 in "brokerage charges" Is this what we going to have to expect anytime we buy something from outside the UK even when the website promised "free delivery".

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Shipping to Italy is €15 on all orders under €199, so higher costs than to the UK.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

€20 to ship to Portugal, more than double the cost of the fee to the UK.

 

[two sheds]

Exactly I just got charged nearly £100 in import fees including £88.46 in "government charges" and £11.50 in "brokerage charges" Is this what we going to have to expect anytime we buy something from outside the UK even when the website promised "free delivery".

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You can't reject it and get your money back?

 

[Artaxerxes]

Shipping to Italy is €15 on all orders under €199, so higher costs than to the UK.

Your not factoring in vat fees to the UK.

Of course the fun will be when the EU roll out similar vat fees in a few months time.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Your not factoring in vat fees to the UK.

Of course the fun will be when the EU roll out similar vat fees in a few months time.

UK VAT is 20%, you deduct the German 19% VAT and add in the UK's 20%, unless the value is below £135 in which case you pay the German VAT and not the UK VAT.

 

[teuchter]

Shipping to Italy is €15 on all orders under €199, so higher costs than to the UK.

The cost on top of the basic price to the UK seems to be £8 plus minimum £11.50 (no maximum defined!) plus 2.5% which on £100 would be £2.50 and I make that £22 minimum which is more than €15.

 

[kabbes]

What exactly is it that people are buying from overseas instead of UK stores?

 

[two sheds]

Bratwurst - it's all bratwurst

 

[kabbes]

Bratwurst - it's all bratwurst

They’re all bratwurst by the time I’m done with ’em

 

[SpookyFrank]

What exactly is it that people are buying from overseas instead of UK stores?

Thomann is a music shop selling a vast range of instruments and audio stuff, much of it cheaper than anywhere in the UK and with free UK delivery.

E2a: They also stock some instruments you just can't get in the UK.

 

[Artaxerxes]

What exactly is it that people are buying from overseas instead of UK stores?

In my case nicer chocolate, teas. Shops I got Xmas presents from are no longer delivering to the UK.

The European shops and some Asian shops for everyday cooking stuff also suffering a bit from stock issues with this.

I'm not expecting HEMA shop which sells cheapish goods and is based in Europe to do well from this. I'm not sure how Lidl and Aldi work but would imagine this will affect there supply chain.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Exactly I just got charged nearly £100 in import fees including £88.46 in "government charges" and £11.50 in "brokerage charges" Is this what we going to have to expect anytime we buy something from outside the UK even when the website promised "free delivery".

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Seems like 'government charges' is mostly VAT so you're not being shafted all that badly. What was the retail price?