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Dunno - I've not really been following all this but weren't we previously importing into the EU where there's an agreement while now we're importing into Britain where there's (yet) no agreement?

Weren’t we previously importing in to the EU? Importing what? toblerone3 bought a coat from Canada and was charged VAT and import duty on it, this has been standard for ever and has nothing to do with the EU or Brexit. Ironically the U.K. is looking to join a trading bloc of which Canada is a member, so this issue may soon be a thing of the past.
 
No I know there’s always been duty on stuff like this! Just thought Gov website fuckup was bleakly funny.
If the page on something this currently important (import duties from abroad) is Out Of Date due to brexit, you fix it.
And I don’t buy widgets.

They had fixed it, there’s a link in that page you quoted which takes you to the new rules.
 
It sure is...
Oh, allow me to show you the whole page. And then perhaps you could apologise for your backfiring snarkiness.


Now to the serious part
When the UK was part of the European Union’s customs union and single market, goods could move freely between the country and member states without customs duties or other fees being charged. However, as of 01.01.2021 the two distinct markets no longer share the same regulatory and legal space. Now all orders between the two markets have to be processed and cleared by the local customs authorities and all goods entering the country have to be declared.

Post Brexit costs
All EU based retailers sending parcels to the UK now have to fill out customs declaration forms and customers may also have to pay customs or VAT (Value Added Tax) charges, depending on the value of the products and the destination of the order.

As it is customary with all our customers from outside of the EU, we provide VAT free prices online and any additional customs charges are the responsibility of the customer.

Now, we understand that with more than 40 years of the UK being part of the EU, many customers may be caught unaware of the fact that the rules have changed since the UK’s official exit. This is why we have been communicating this information with you in various ways, on our products pages, at the shopping basket, on the check-out page, on our FAQ and shipping pages and on our Order Confirmation emails.

So, according to these new regulations, VAT will be added and charged by us after processing an order only if the net value of the items is equal or less than 135.00 GBP or if the delivery will be to Northern Ireland (we’ll get back to you lovely folks a little later). We will then send you an Order Confirmation email that will include the new price inclusive of VAT. In these cases, no additional fee should be paid upon delivery.

Orders on or below 135,00 GBP will incur a 8,00 GBP shipping fee. Please note, this is paid to Thomann and is not related to the fees paid to the courier.

The VAT (20%) and possible additional handling fees will have to be paid to the courier upon delivery for all other orders with the only exception being special VAT-free zones (e.g Channel Islands). Additionally, we no longer accept UK VAT numbers except for Northern Ireland.

If you are wondering what those additional fees will be, allow us to share all the information we have gathered so far below:

Government Charges: UPS will take care of all the official paperwork and payment of the VAT on your behalf and they will pass that cost to you on their invoice. From our limited experience so far, the Government Charges consist of the 20% VAT plus a small amount for the paperwork involved (usually around 2.5%).

Brokerage Charges: UPS will charge a minimum of 11.50 GBP for their service.

Important! Don’t forget that this is indicative information based on the feedback we have received so far as not every order has the same customs requirements. For further information we advise that you check the costs and procedures in advance with the courier or the customs authorities locally.

Payment Methods: If there is any customs duties payment required for your order, UPS will provide a link that will allow you to make payment online. This can be found on the tracking page and you can track your parcel with the tracking number we will send you with your shipping confirmation email.

Post Brexit deliveries
Retailers are not the only party affected by these new regulations. Couriers have had to adjust their procedures and routes according to the new customs requirements as well and this may now be causing small delays on certain occasions.

New logistics procedures have to be implemented and new sorting sequences have to be introduced to different collection centres. At the same time the increase in volume of parcels along with new border controls, reduced staff and local quarantine measures are not making things easier. However, our courier partners have assured us that they are doing their very best to deliver packages on time and we are happy to inform you that the vast majority of our orders to the UK have been delivered within 3-6 working days from the date of dispatch.

For items exceeding 31 kilos, or heavy goods such as PA equipment, pianos, etc., we have to employ the services of a heavy haulage company. Heavy haulage forwarders have unfortunately not been able to deal with the additional paperwork and customs requirements as yet so they have temporarily suspended all deliveries to the UK.

Should this affect your order, we will inform you in your Order Confirmation email. We are currently working on this matter and we hope we will be able to confirm shortly that this method of shipment is again available for the UK.

Northern Ireland
We think Van Morrison must have been preemptively referring to couriers in post-Brexit Northern Ireland when he sang ‘I shall drive my chariot down your streets and cry ‘Hey, it’s me, I’m dynamite’. As Northern Ireland remains in the single market for goods, we will apply VAT (20%) after you have placed your order and we will then send you an Order Confirmation email with the new price inclusive of VAT. In these cases, no additional fee should be paid upon delivery. Please note, we cannot guarantee your package will be delivered by chariot.

We do accept VAT numbers for companies registered in Northern Ireland and the new VAT number should start with XI. Additionally, large or heavy items that require the services of a heavy haulage company are not affected by Brexit.

Post Brexit returns
We are very happy to inform you that we still offer the 30 day Money Back Guarantee and 3 Year Warranty on most items.

Should you have any questions regarding return procedures after the implementation of Brexit, how much it will cost you to send something back and how customs usually deal with such shipments, please check our online information or contact our Customer Care department:
 
Things like the 'Canadian' coat probably got shipped to some EU fulfilment centre en-masse with someone paying the duty for that transaction, and then dispatched from there without further charges. If so, that model no longer works, and if anyone continues to bother supplying this way, everything will be more expensive.

My shoes bought from a UK website and supplied from a Belgian distribution centre eventually turned up after 12 days stuck in Essex.

FWIW, I bought a new phone and that came with headphones. They were made in Vietnam and have a manufacturing date of about five days before they arrived.
 
Oh, allow me to show you the whole page. and then perhaps you could apologise for your backfiring snarkiness.

"When the UK was part of the European Union’s customs union and single market, goods could move freely between the country and member states without customs duties or other fees being charged."

I said that :thumbs:

That's what I said :)

I did
 
Oh, allow me to show you the whole page. and then perhaps you could apologise for your backfiring snarkiness.


If that's too much for you to read then there's not much hope for you. I even helpfully explained the costs to you, no thanks from you at all for that, which frankly is a bit rude.
 
If that's too much for you to read then there's not much hope for you. I even helpfully explained the costs to you, no thanks from you at all for that, which frankly is a bit rude.
I wanted to buy a fucking product, not read a 1,100+ word document in which even the retailer can't fully explain how it's going to work. In fact, it suggests I go off and consult "the courier or the customs authorities locally."
Don’t forget that this is indicative information based on the feedback we have received so far as not every order has the same customs requirements. For further information we advise that you check the costs and procedures in advance with the courier or the customs authorities locally.

Got to love the way way that in your mind I'm at fault here.
 
I wanted to buy a fucking product, not read a 1,100+ word document in which even the retailer can't fully explain how it's going to work. In fact, it suggests I go off and consult "the courier or the customs authorities locally."


Got to love the way way that in your mind I'm at fault here.

Who else other than you is at fault for you not being arsed to read it and failing to educate yourself as to how the system now works?

And again, when a kind hearted soul does explain it to you did you thank him in any way at all? Did you fuck. So on that note I shall bid you good day.
 
so where's the courier come in? i'd have thought that money paid to the delivery people (the courier) would count as shipping, so i think the shipping fee is the fee for dealing with the brexit paperwork related to shipping
The big change is basically tax insurance, nothing moves til the tax on it is guaranteed, and the whole logistics industry underestimated how much liquidity that meant having and are building as they go
 
Apparently it was all Dombrovskis's fault

President Ursula von der Leyen sought to deflect the blame for a humiliating U-turn over vaccine export controls, saying that one of her deputies had been responsible for the controversial regulation.
The commission sparked outrage in the U.K. and Ireland on Friday when it released proposals for controls on shipments of vaccines from the EU into Northern Ireland, undermining its own commitment during Brexit negotiations to keeping the Irish border open. The plan was abruptly dropped hours later.

“What I can tell you is that there is one cabinet which was lead on this, that is Executive Vice President Valdis Dombrovskis because he is in charge of trade,” the commission’s chief spokesman Eric Mamer told reporters in Brussels on Monday. “This regulation falls under the responsibility of Mr. Dombrovskis and his cabinet and of course the services of the commission which respond to him.”
Bloomberg
 

A spokesman for Stormont’s Department of Agriculture, Environment and Rural Affairs (Daera) said: “On the basis of information received today and pending further discussions with the PSNI [Police Service of Northern Ireland], Daera has decided in the interests of the wellbeing of staff to temporarily suspend physical inspections of products of animal origin at Larne and Belfast
 
"a minor number of teething problems"

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I see the hyperbole express is roaring through this thread.

This is a discussion about the impact of Brexit. I just gave an illustration of something that has changed for the worse. And it's not like the press isn't full of similar stories right now.
Any comment on the events of the last week? Here's a clue, the effects are bigger than a bit of duty.
 
Project here not well received by some as NI border staff withdrawn for their own safety after "Loyalist paramilitary" threats and graffiti:

Brexit checks on animal and food products arriving into Belfast and Larne ports have been suspended amid fears over the safety of staff, Northern Ireland’s agriculture ministry has said.

The decision came after Mid and East Antrim borough council agreed on Monday night to remove 12 of its staff at Larne port with immediate effect, following an “upsurge in sinister and menacing behaviour in recent weeks”.

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It’s going brilliantly, anyone who says it’s not just hates Britain, and Freedom,

All we had to do was remain tied to a failed superstate for ever and we could have avoided some delays at the border as new system beds in. Anyone who disagrees is Nick Griffin..

I assume you’ll be pointing out these inevitable border issues to the Scots Bimble and urging them to vote to remain in the UK?
 
Covid has definitely delayed imports from abroad. I ordered two hundred quids worth of electronics from Aliexpress in Nov 2020 and they arrived yesterday. Marked as worth $7.00 and no duty requested or paid.
 
All we had to do was remain tied to a failed superstate for ever and we could have avoided some delays at the border as new system beds in. Anyone who disagrees is Nick Griffin..

I assume you’ll be pointing out these inevitable border issues to the Scots Bimble and urging them to vote to remain in the UK?

Just out of curiosity, let’s imagine say it’s 2026 or 2030, is there any measure or circumstance which would make you think that leaving was a mistake? I can think of a few things that would convince me I was wrong. You?
 
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