teuchter
je suis teuchter
They are just trying to get a reaction. They aren't stupid people so it's implausible that their view has been changed by just one event.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
How many events does it usually take to change your opinion on something?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Crikey! If this was the UK or US governments behaving this way you and others would be screaming blue murder about what a bunch of petty, venal, nasty, cunts they are. But it's the EU so it's just a manifestation of how poor old politicians behave when they're feeling weak and threatened!
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
It’s interesting which countries they listed as exempt from the export controls and which not. This headline is misleading as hell .
EU imposes vaccine export controls on rich nations from Saturday
‘No other choice but to act,’ says Valdis Dombrovskis.www.politico.eu
The States may well be included for protectionist reasons There was earlier a quite bitter fight over the States Operation Warpspeed's attempt to get exclusive production for CureVac a European company in Holland and the States getting the first contract with BioNTech a German company who collaborate with Pfiser . Australia uses both AZ and Pfiser , most AZ production is through a sister company based in Australia but it receives some from the European plants , the Pfiser/BionTech vaccine is exported to Australia.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Like nothing happened at Suez. The EU invoked a clause intended only to be used as a last resort in Ireland, without involving the Irish government. Without (at least officially) consulting any member states. They were ready to risk the gfa. Nothing to you, maybe, but a great deal on an island adjacent to our own
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
No, no. Move along. Nothing to see here.
Rushy
basically a scrotum
Politicians are forever trying to distract from their fuck ups. But the way that the EU has chosen to do so in this particular case looks jaw droppingly inappropriate. Or at least seems so to me. As for being revealing, I think they managed to fight hard for European interests during Brexit negotiations whilst maintaining some impression of balanced, rational fairness. At times their negotiators almost managed to come across as impartial! To be honest, it was not that all that difficult against the shambolic backdrop in the UK. I suspect that what we are seeing is much more representative of the real relationship - in the short term at least.
ska invita
back on the other side
Lets say they followed through with this ... what woudve actually happened? Theyd have erected a hard border?
bimble
floofy
I think you’re just being silly now. Maybe cos you’re a bit embarrassed about how you’ve been carrying on all excited and anthropomorphising as if the EU is an ex girlfriend who turned out to be a big meanie.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Does the fact that they even considered using a nuclear solution for no other reason than to punish the naughty UK, not bother you?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Lol
BlanketAddict
Well-Known Member
I thought it was fairly common knowledge that France/Germany are the EU. In the interests of 'the project' and common courtesy the other states are at least usually consulted with regards to decision making.
Except where the shit is really hitting the fan and the mask slips and you end up with a situation like yesterday. Ireland not even aware never mind consulted!
France and Germany are really suffering right now and I get it, everyone needs those vaccine supplies right now, and it must be infuriating to see massive delivery reductions against what you were promised.
But this episode has shone a light on the reality of how the EU operates, and that the principal of 27 equal member states is pie in the sky really.
ska invita
back on the other side
Please stop quoting me and asking me stuff - of all the posters on urban i could care less what disingenuous things you think or say.
Your window of being taken seriously closed years ago.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I'll keep doing it to outline your stupidity to others. Best you stick me on ignore.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Dear dear me ( this was in reply to the Ska/Spymaster spat)
bimble
floofy
Yeah but some people clearly never expected the supra-state to act like, well, a State, whose interests are (on this issue right now) in direct conflict with a neigbouring State. They seemingly expected the EU to be totally different, all cuddly and mild mannered and reasonable, which has caused them in their astonishment to run around shouting about the evilness of the "EU mentality".
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yep, naive.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
You are determined to not grasp the issues. La de da with fingers in ears.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
This EU you voted to remain in.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Whereas other people, if Ursula VdL blew up an airliner, would put it down to her being a bit stressed out that day.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Covid vaccines to be recorded in Dublin in compromise deal
Doses will be allowed to cross border after international outcry over Brussels’ attempt to block deliveries
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Nope, completely missing the point.
The UK and EU are - post Brexit - now competitors, there's a huge amount of bitterness between them, and both sides can (and should) expect the other to stick the knife in should the need, or just opportunity, arise.
But Ireland is not a competitor to the EU, it's a part of the EU, and a part that the EU has repeatedly said is at the heart of the EU, with the non-border border at the front and centre of its decision making process.
It's not the UK that the EU attempted to shaft last night, it's fucking Ireland.
bimble
floofy
Yes, and would again. Never thought it was a cuddly peace and love club though which is why nothing these last days has changed my view.
bimble
floofy
Ok I did not get that. I thought it was Northern Ireland that would have been fucked .
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Well assume it's me asking the same questions etc.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Just for posterity.
bimble
floofy
I'm thinking 5 years before its at all clear either way whether better out than in tbh. So feel free to let me know in 2026 how wrong i am.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Thankfully we will still be out in five years. You can work it out yourself. If the last weeks events dont sway your view I am sure the EU will show their true colours again soon enough. That plus hindsight might help.I'm thinking 5 years before its at all clear either way whether better out than in tbh. So feel free to let me know in 2026 how wrong i am.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
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