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ska invita
back on the other side
i dont understand any of this tbh, total blank
ive read the articles, none the wiser
has anything changed as to who is getting vaccinated and when yet?
ive read the articles, none the wiser
has anything changed as to who is getting vaccinated and when yet?
Yossarian
⏭️
The British vaccination schedule is unchanged and currently ahead of EU countries. Same with the death rate.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
No, and that net gain of zero vaccines has cost the EU leadership a fuckton of credibility. Lucky for Ursula von der Leyen there seems to be no means, democratic or otherwise, to get rid of her.
gosub
~#
Seeing that more on FB than here tbh, I think it is such a sweet spot that a lot of my more ardent remain(d)er friends are completely rabbit in the headlights.
It wasn't an area where the EU had particular experience, leapt on the back of some of their more experienced but impatient front runners and swamped their position.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
True. But if Johnson and chums think this means that there will be a loss of collective memory over their handling of the pandemic then they are in for a shock. It just means a significant increase in the number of us who recognise that the both the EU and HMG are the common enemy
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Indeed. This story will soon blow over, one way or another. The pandemic won't. Nor will brexit, which may look like a moral victory today but will definitely not be an economic one on the time scale of now until the next election.
andysays
Love and solidarity
I wonder if she's had her vaccination yet...
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
She's an essential worker. Despite every appearance to the contrary.
I've not really followed how vaccination has been going in the EU27 countries tbh. I know half the French don't even want it.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Oh come on Ska I'm sure you understand some of it .
andysays
Love and solidarity
That makes the assassination with a syringe containing just air trick a bit more difficult then...
gosub
~#
Technically EUropean Parliament CAN remove entire Commission. Its not going to (yet)
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I hope popcorn imports remain unaffected.
stdP
One Swiss dinosaur in Polly Gosling's anorak hood
Colour me in the remoaniac category - as much as it is pretty shambolic, I still think the UK would have been better offin the EU than out of it, and jumping out of the EU frying pan in to the malingering fiery incompetence of the tories will be a net loss for the people of the UK, mostly because of the severe economic ramifications and inevitable erosion of living standards. But...
...I certainly can't disagree with this. TBH I think it's gone down like a cup of cold puke in many circles; most of my european friends (mostly all ambivalent to the EU as well) have had the same reaction - it comes across as petty blame-throwing to scapegoat their own inadequacies. Perhaps a tactic they've recently perfected from Boris and co, but a childish squabbling tactic at best. A pox on both their houses.
I certainly don't given any credit for the UK's handling of the vaccine research and rollout to the government; all of the successes, to my biased brain, seem to be coming from the NHS and the research institutions, all of the gross incompetence and corruption flows forth from the dribbling maw of the government and their rapacious private sector donor chums. If we're going well in anything it's despite the politicians, not because of them.
(I still think the article in Der Spiegel[url] I posted earlier in an nicely critical take on it so I'm going to shamelessly mention it again)
...I certainly can't disagree with this. TBH I think it's gone down like a cup of cold puke in many circles; most of my european friends (mostly all ambivalent to the EU as well) have had the same reaction - it comes across as petty blame-throwing to scapegoat their own inadequacies. Perhaps a tactic they've recently perfected from Boris and co, but a childish squabbling tactic at best. A pox on both their houses.
I certainly don't given any credit for the UK's handling of the vaccine research and rollout to the government; all of the successes, to my biased brain, seem to be coming from the NHS and the research institutions, all of the gross incompetence and corruption flows forth from the dribbling maw of the government and their rapacious private sector donor chums. If we're going well in anything it's despite the politicians, not because of them.
(I still think the article in Der Spiegel[url] I posted earlier in an nicely critical take on it so I'm going to shamelessly mention it again)
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Here's the European figures ( I cant be arsed to cut and paste a table for the EU). The Serbian case is interesting, its got candidate status but not yet full membership although its in the EEA. It uses the Chinese vaccine
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
I pretty much checked out of the situation this week until last night because it's fucking meaningless in any real way to me. It's just opaque bollocks and I honestly have no interest in whose right and wrong when it comes to contract law.
ska invita
back on the other side
genuinely dont
im amazed you all do
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I was always on the fence. I decided how to vote in the polling booth and even then I think the deciding factor was that I just didn't want to vote the same way as people like Farage. Plenty has happened since the referendum to make me question that decision. This is just a massive kick in the same direction. What I don't get is why people, when faced with absolutely crystal clear evidence of out-and-out EU cuntery, insist on performing gymnastics to excuse it.
bimble
floofy
world beating! Don't et me wrong of course i'm very glad it seems to be going pretty well here. First time in a long timer that i've wished my parents still lived in the UK. They're mid 70s and will be waiting a long time by the looks of things where they are.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Your just funnin. Vaccine thread you started is elsewhere.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Where are your parents? For me its a choice of waiting in Portugal for it or waiting for the flight ban between Portual and the UK being lifted and then forking out for covid tests both ways and a stay in a quarantine hotel.
ska invita
back on the other side
seems like nothing has actually happened, and i dont have a head for business contract clauses.
i am interested if old and vulnerable people within the EU, including many family members, wont be getting the vaccine any time soon, so will try and tune in again when something actually happens. lost one family member last week (aged 60), would like not to lose more.
bimble
floofy
switzerland, so probably not the EUs fault but they seem to be doing just as shit at it, in between czech and slovakia on your table. Kind of surpising seeing as its so rich and so full of pharma companies.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Because, like most similar projects, it becomes - for the more militant wing - a kind of structure of feeling that even reality can’t dislodge.
We saw it with the more delusional Corbyn fanboys, we saw it with Trump and we saw it, yes, with Vote Leave.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Do you think that people in any of the countries likely to be affected by the EU export controls might think the same?
bimble
floofy
It’s interesting which countries they listed as exempt from the export controls and which not. This headline is misleading as hell .
EU imposes vaccine export controls on rich nations from Saturday
‘No other choice but to act,’ says Valdis Dombrovskis.
www.politico.eu
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
This latest debacle with Ireland is very telling of the EU mentality. A bunch of EU arseholes must have had a meeting about that and decided it was a good idea. They've backtracked heavily but that's another bell that won't be un-rung any time soon.
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
There are country specific reports for how the vaccination programmes are going on the countries Health service websites that you might find useful rather than relying on here tbh. Each country has its own priorities but most seem to target elderly with some variations( some not doing over 80s , Germany not authorising one vaccine for older people, mainly care homes first and health care workers.
bimble
floofy
I get it, that what happened yesterday and then very quickly unhappened was a really shitty aggressive and deeply embarrassing move on the part of U vd L and whoever else.
Just not that surprised by it and not sure whether it says anything very revealing about what you’re calling “EU mentality”, or is just the kind of stunt that politicians do when they are feeling weak and threatened. Controlling export of vaccines likewise, that’s got to be happening all over the world right now.
Just not that surprised by it and not sure whether it says anything very revealing about what you’re calling “EU mentality”, or is just the kind of stunt that politicians do when they are feeling weak and threatened. Controlling export of vaccines likewise, that’s got to be happening all over the world right now.
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