Should the death penalty be reintroduced in the UK?

[littlebabyjesus]

Does the person being executed get to know the date in advance or is it better to just randomly turn up at the cell door giving an element of surprise so to speak.

This is how it works in Japan.

 

[Spymaster]

Someone's run out of argument.

Someone’s on the good end of a big fat bifta.

 

[PR1Berske]

The alternative facts gambit makes you sound like a fool.

Well that's just not true.

And cut out this passive-aggressive crap. It makes you sound like a fucking tool.

Something something something
Go back to school

#UrbanRhymingScheme
#ThreadRapping

 

[DotCommunist]

Not read the thread but thought I'd check the 'thread replies' to confirm that it is spy who has driven all these pages, and it is. I'd like to thank whosoever joined him on this hobby horse and may god have mercy on your souls pulls lever

 

[PursuedByBears]

All this is pretty irrelevant to me.

I cannot think of a circumstance where I would support the death penalty. Regardless of certainty of guilt, heinousness of crime, whatever. Not one.

What about the perpetrators of war crimes, like Bloody Sunday or the My Lai massacre?

The allies executed ten Nazis following the Nuremberg trials in 1946, this seems to me an excellent use of the death penalty. I'd happily extend it to other similar cunts e.g. Stalin, Mao, Pinochet, Bin Laden etc.

 

[Pickman's model]

The allies executed ten Nazis following the Nuremberg trials in 1946, this seems to me an excellent use of the death penalty. I'd happily extend it to other similar cunts e.g. Stalin, Mao, Bin Laden etc.

As charles ii did unto cromwell then

 

[PursuedByBears]

As charles ii did unto cromwell then

He was a massive cunt too.

 

[Pickman's model]

He was a massive cunt too.

Cromwell, charles or both?

 

[The39thStep]

The allies executed ten Nazis following the Nuremberg trials in 1946, this seems to me an excellent use of the death penalty. I'd happily extend it to other similar cunts e.g. Stalin, Mao, Pinochet, Bin Laden etc.

I think you will find that they are already dead

 

[PursuedByBears]

I think you will find that they are already dead

Details

 

[Sasaferrato]

The allies executed ten Nazis following the Nuremberg trials in 1946, this seems to me an excellent use of the death penalty. I'd happily extend it to other similar cunts e.g. Stalin, Mao, Pinochet, Bin Laden etc.

The Nuremberg trials were the 'showcase'. After trial in Hameln, Pierrepoint executed 156 people. He often carried out multiple executions in a day. He hanged the women singly, the men in pairs.

 

[Sasaferrato]

He was a massive cunt too.

Cromwell or KCII? Or indeed both.

I don't know much about KCII, but Cromwell was an utter bastard.

 

[Pickman's model]

Cromwell or KCII? Or indeed both.

There seems to be an echo in the room

 

[Sasaferrato]

I've chosen yes on the poll, but only in certain circumstances.

So, since coming here I've gone from 'yes' to 'no' and back to a qualified 'yes'.

I think we all know what has prompted the question, and yes, he deserved the death penalty. There was absolutely no doubt of guilt.

With the development of DNA and other forms of evidence, the likelihood of an innocent person dying is extremely small, but not zero.

I would not support the death penalty in joint enterprise cases.

What a pity there was no 'maybe' option on the poll.

 

[Sasaferrato]

There seems to be an echo in the room

Sorry, only read the last page.

 

[Sasaferrato]

It is easy to think that for example that 17 year old that stabbed all those children killing three deserves to be put to death.

Then how about if he wasn't mentally competent?

And how about if we introduced the death penalty to execute people like this, but then some innocent person was executed along with the proper guilty ones?

So, yes the death penalty for those that deserve it, but no because it would be impossible to get it right.

So on balance no.

Those judged unfit to plead were never executed. In that particular case, he was judged to be fit to plead.

 

[hash tag]

This is how it works in Japan.

None of the last meal shit and saying goodbye to family or loved ones.

 

[brogdale]

Those judged unfit to plead were never executed. In that particular case, he was judged to be fit to plead.

Like Derek Bentley

 

[editor]

Rarely has an urban poll delivered such an unequivocal verdict with nearly 94% against the death penalty.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

None of the last meal shit and saying goodbye to family or loved ones.

Nope. Just stewing for years or decades, waking up every morning not knowing if it will be your last morning.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I think we all know what has prompted the question, and yes, he deserved the death penalty. There was absolutely no doubt of guilt.

He was child when he committed his crimes, would you be OK with executing people who committed crimes when they were children?

A further question, which Spy's not answered; even if he were not a child when he did it, or if he was one of the tiny number of beyond doubt, beyond the pale that qualify for Spy's Tyburn jiggery, what in your view would be the benefit to society in killing them over life without parole?

 

[PTK]

None of the advocates of execution have proposed that the soldiers who killed 13 people on Bloody Sunday should be executed. There can be no mistake that they deliberately shot dead unarmed civilians who posed no threat to them.

 

[MickiQ]

The last public poll on the re-introduction of the death penalty was in 2021 there doesn't seem to be any later than that. That gave 54% in favour, it would be interesting to see what it is currently if anyone is prepared to pay for a poll. I suspect the Ayes would still have it though, support tend to rise immediately following high profile cases like the Southport one and falls off when such cases fade from public memory.
This poll confirms something that we all really know of course that opinions on Urban are FAR to the liberal end of the scale and not representative of the general public.
However evidence does seem to indicate that we are more in tune with most politicians than the rest of public. Any poll of MP's has always shown a general aversion to it that is usually at odds with the public mood.

 

[chilango]

Even when someone clearly "deserves the death penalty" (whatever that means) we still shouldn't do it, nor contemplate it as a viable option.

 

[danny la rouge]

Rarely has an urban poll delivered such an unequivocal verdict with nearly 94% against the death penalty.

And now we kill the 6%. Mwah ha ha.

 

[Sasaferrato]

He was child when he committed his crimes, would you be OK with executing people who committed crimes when they were children?

A further question, which Spy's not answered; even if he were not a child when he did it, or if he was one of the tiny number of beyond doubt, beyond the pale that qualify for Spy's Tyburn jiggery, what in your view would be the benefit to society in killing them over life without parole?

I hadn't taken his age into account. No, we should not be executing children.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

The last public poll on the re-introduction of the death penalty was in 2021 there doesn't seem to be any later than that. That gave 54% in favour, it would be interesting to see what it is currently if anyone is prepared to pay for a poll. I suspect the Ayes would still have it though, support tend to rise immediately following high profile cases like the Southport one and falls off when such cases fade from public memory.
This poll confirms something that we all really know of course that opinions on Urban are FAR to the liberal end of the scale and not representative of the general public.
However evidence does seem to indicate that we are more in tune with most politicians than the rest of public. Any poll of MP's has always shown a general aversion to it that is usually at odds with the public mood.

This is one of those issues where it's easy enough to say 'yes' on a questionnaire, not so easy to justify your position once you're asked how exactly you think it should work. As a certain poster on this thread has discovered.

 

[Aaronf]

There's been another vote for yes, 6.4% now to 93.6% against.

 

[newme]

Those judged unfit to plead were never executed. In that particular case, he was judged to be fit to plead.

But by who and why? Not necessarily for that specifically but seems a bad thing to have as precedent. I find it extremely difficult to imagine anyone killing anyone not in self defence doesn't have fucked up judgement on the basis they killed someone. That seems so fucked up I can't imagine it.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Put me down as an agnostic.