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gosub said:
Still, they've done a good job of preventing continental outbreaks of cheese and ham sandwiches
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I'd like to agree with you, Sub, but every corner you turn nowadays some cunt is trying to sell you an inside-out, cheese and ham sarniie, calling it a fucking Croque Monsieur, and adding a fiver.

This is a massively clear win for Brexiteers who wanted streamlined, shackle-free, ability to make their own rules.

Predictably, the EU/remoaners are saying "it's not fair that we've been complete shit... boo hoo. You should help us ... it's the decent thing to do and by the way, we're gonna fuck you up if you don't"

Fuck off
 
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Well after the EU put their foot in it , here's a spokesperson explaining the 'accident' and that the export ban on vaccines 'is not a hostile act against third countries or territories. This is the mechanism of transparency the EU needs to ensure a particular pharmaceutical company honours its commitment.”
A mechanism of transparency that in reality omits the UK, Russia , USA, Canada and for some reason Australia from a list of countries that are exempted from tighter export restrictions on vaccines produced in the EU, which includes not only the AZ but the Pfiser vaccine

 
The39thStep said:
Well after the EU put their foot in it , here's a spokesperson explaining the 'accident' and that the export ban on vaccines 'is not a hostile act against third countries or territories. This is the mechanism of transparency the EU needs to ensure a particular pharmaceutical company honours its commitment.”
A mechanism of transparency that in reality omits the UK, Russia , USA, Canada and for some reason Australia from a list of countries that are exempted from tighter export restrictions on vaccines produced in the EU, which includes not only the AZ but the Pfiser vaccine

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'A particular pharmaceutical company' ...so then why the catch-all restrictions?

Nice to know it's not just our government that can't string two thoughts together in a straight line. Well, not nice but you know.
 
SpookyFrank said:
'A particular pharmaceutical company' ...so then why the catch-all restrictions?

Nice to know it's not just our government that can't string two thoughts together in a straight line. Well, not nice but you know.
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I read somewhere that the export ban works on application to export, investigation of requested export which includes a look at the past three months books. and permission/refusal within 48 hours. Its possible that that process might allow exemption and in others might give evidence of previous exports. Seems a bit long winded and a scattergun approach if they are gunning for one company though.
 
The39thStep said:
Well after the EU put their foot in it , here's a spokesperson explaining the 'accident' and that the export ban on vaccines 'is not a hostile act against third countries or territories. This is the mechanism of transparency the EU needs to ensure a particular pharmaceutical company honours its commitment.”
A mechanism of transparency that in reality omits the UK, Russia , USA, Canada and for some reason Australia from a list of countries that are exempted from tighter export restrictions on vaccines produced in the EU, which includes not only the AZ but the Pfiser vaccine

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A fucking "accident", quite a telling accident, thats about as non hostile as Russian interest in cathedrals
 
Interesting article.

www.theguardian.com

'We had to go it alone': how the UK got ahead in the Covid vaccine race

Early partnership between Oxford and AstraZeneca, plus upfront funding, proved vital headstart
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The Oxford scientists began meeting weekly, and by late March, Oxford scientists realised they needed a pharmaceutical giant to manufacture the vast quantities of vaccine required. The initial choice of partner was the US company Merck.

However, the prospective deal collapsed. The UK was desperate to secure enough supply for its own citizens – and at the time, ministers including the health secretary, Matt Hancock, were concerned. Not about the EU – but about the behaviour of the then-US president, Donald Trump.

“We were worried about vaccine nationalism – but the person we feared was Trump, that he would be able to pressurise a US company, and perhaps buy up the drug stocks,” said a former adviser at the Department of Health. “We never expected there would be a row with the EU.”

The British government wanted written guarantees of supply from Merck, but the company was only prepared to give verbal one , the adviser said. The deal fell through.
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With Brexit looming, the UK drew huge criticism for declining to join EU schemes to purchase PPE and ventilators. There was also growing pressure to join a joint EU procurement plan for vaccines, and to put aside the Brexit rhetoric.

But Brussels’ demands were eye-watering: the UK, unlike EU member states, would not be able to take part in the governance of the scheme, including the steering group or the negotiating team.

Britain would have no say in what vaccines to procure, at what price or in what quantity, and for what delivery schedule. There would be no side-deals possible.
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The governments of Germany, Italy, France and the Netherlands had privately decided they could not wait on Brussels finding common agreement among the 27 on a strategy – and they spotted the potential in AstraZeneca from the start.

The so-called “inclusive alliance” group drafted a one-page set of terms for a deal for between 300m and 400m doses of the Oxford/AstraZeneca jab. But other EU member states were getting restive, concerned that they were being left out.

The four governments passed on the negotiation to the commission “for the common good”, recalled Prof Walter Ricciardi, an adviser to the Italian government on its coronavirus strategy.

“We opened the door for the commission to take over but even then it took time, even when we tried to speed up the process,” Ricciardi said. “There were some countries fully aware of the importance of the vaccine but there were others that were reluctant to put money into this without guarantees of the result. That took time and the best possible energy of the commission. They did recruit the best possible officers to do that but it was a long process”.

It was another three months before the commission finally signed the deal, behind the UK, with some serious ramifications to come.
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The EU had spent just €1.78bn in “risk money”, cash handed to pharmaceutical companies without any guarantee of a return, compared to €1.9bn by the UK [7 x per head of population] and €9bn by the US, he said. There were consequences.
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I saw an debate including one of the members of the UK NHS vaccine taskforce which was empowered to buy up vaccines in advance of knowing which would make it through approvals. They were very matter of fact, determining which projects looked most likely to succeed and placing large orders with them without delay.

They were a small group of perhaps 4 experts, tasked with securing vaccines for the UK, and seemingly with no budget restrictions. It seems they did a good job.
 
weltweit said:
I saw an debate including one of the members of the UK NHS vaccine taskforce which was empowered to buy up vaccines in advance of knowing which would make it through approvals. They were very matter of fact, determining which projects looked most likely to succeed and placing large orders with them without delay.

They were a small group of perhaps 4 experts, tasked with securing vaccines for the UK, and seemingly with no budget restrictions. It seems they did a good job.
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Yes, respect is due.
 
Spymaster said:
I voted remain, by a hair's breadth, but this is an object lesson as to why LEAVE was the correct choice.

"Ooh ooh, I cant travel to Europe" .... yes you can. You just have a few moe hoops to jump through. But the EU might try to make your life harder

"Oooh, but I need a visa to work or live in the EU" ... Tough shit. So does everyone else in the world. You just lost your automatic right to jump the queue ahead of black and brown people who probably have more to offer than you anyway.

"Oooh, you're stealing vaccines that we should have, despite the fact that we've been abject morons in delivering our own. in the face of continual warnings that we're falling short of production".

Fucking bunch of wankers
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Same here. I also voted remain but this is the final nail in that coffin as far as I’m concerned. I’m happy to distance myself politically and administratively as far from the EU as possible.
 
Markus Söder, the Bavarian premier and Germany's possible future chancellor, told ZDF television on Friday that it was his impression that the commission "ordered too late, and only bet on a few companies, they agreed on a price in a typically bureaucratic EU procedure and completely underestimated the fundamental importance of the situation".
 
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