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Raheem
Well-Known Member
OK, well that's me sold, then.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Foster's not wrong though. And if you've managed to make Arlene Foster look reasonable, you must have got something very wrong.
moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
None of them are happy (as you would expect)...
Belfast Telegraph: Coronavirus: NI parties unite against EU controls on vaccines amid 22 deaths and 669 new cases.
Coronavirus: NI parties unite against EU controls on vaccines amid 22 deaths and 669 new cases
Northern Ireland's political parties have united to denounce an EU move to halt the operation of an element of Brexit's Northern Ireland Protocol as part of the bloc's attempts to control the export of vaccinations from the EU.
www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Not even telling the Irish taoiseach first I mean for fuck's sake.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
What an absolute fuck up
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
You seriously should register that as a trademark. Do it today. Everyone will want it soon.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Not even a text.
Smangus
comatose at a desk
BlanketAddict
Well-Known Member
Makes no sense. How can a member state, a directly affected one at that, be put in such a position? Very disrespectful and potentially very damaging to the Irish Republic. A bad look for the EU, I thought they were supposed to be a comprehensive bloc.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
i think i'd be more nuanced than that - EU member states were under no compunction to join in this joint vaccine buy. there certainly was political pressure to do so, but nothing legal. it seems quite a few have been seriously unhappy with the (non) progress made by the EC on this, but the fundamental problem they have is a political unwillingness to damage 'the project' by pulling out of this or that programme when its very obviously turning to shit. regardless of the cost.
it will be the same with VDL: she has done catastrophic damage to the Ireland situation - without consultation - on the same day its been made clear that she has massively fucked up the vaccine purchase. but she'll neither resign, nor be asked to by member states, because of the damage that would do to 'the project'.
the EU should be a tool for its member states to use, or not use, according to the situation, but instead its become the tail that wags the dog.
BlanketAddict
Well-Known Member
Dust off those ferry contracts!
Smangus
comatose at a desk
True and I agree, but it has the same effect - resulting in delay and prevarication which has a knock on effect to the end result - a decision being made at a faster pace, not delaying results. All due to the concern about upsetting "the project".
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I think that’s true in this case and of course the U.K. had the Oxford vaccine. The EU idea of an a procurement strategy in itself wasn’t a bad idea ie using a huge budget to negotiate lower prices . It was preferable to a free for all in which the richer states bought up suppliers leaving the poorer states to scrabble about and a scenario where suppliers under confidential contracts could try and charge different countries different rates . The EU knew that the USA , and Canada had started to look for vaccines and suppliers , knew that Russia had the capability of producing their own at some stage and that the U.K. could do what best suited them . The main question for me ( and I have a valid interest not only being an EU resident with access to the health service but also at this moment barred from the U.K. ) why did it take them so long to come to a decision to go for a procurement strategy? There’s other questions on my mind as well , then why so long to strike agreements , approve vaccines ? why did they put all their eggs on one basket with AZ ? why didn’t they encourage and collaborate on a EU vaccine ? Aside from paying up front research and development costs what else could they have offered to the suppliers ? For me it’s not a U.K./ EU battle it’s about trying in some way to hold them and the pharmaceutical industries to account .
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
They're now denying that the button was ever pushed. Someone at EUHQ has been at the schnapps I reckon.
BlanketAddict
Well-Known Member
A U-turn of Boris proportions! What a time to be alive!
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Jesus, even the Lib Dems had a go at the EU
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
The worms have turned
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
How did the EU even announce this bollocks? Press release or tweet?
moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
Lib dems u turn shocker!
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
it was on their site , taken down now.
moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
Bbc reporting they've u turned now..
BBC News - EU vaccine export row: Bloc backtracks on controls for NI
BBC News - EU vaccine export row: Bloc backtracks on controls for NI
EU vaccine export row: Bloc backtracks on controls for NI
It follows anger over a decision to invoke an emergency provision in the Brexit deal in order to control vaccine exports.
www.bbc.co.uk
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Hungary has just approved and will but the Chinese vaccine
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I voted remain, by a hair's breadth, but this is an object lesson as to why LEAVE was the correct choice.
"Ooh ooh, I cant travel to Europe" .... yes you can. You just have a few moe hoops to jump through. But the EU might try to make your life harder
"Oooh, but I need a visa to work or live in the EU" ... Tough shit. So does everyone else in the world. You just lost your automatic right to jump the queue ahead of black and brown people who probably have more to offer than you anyway.
"Oooh, you're stealing vaccines that we should have, despite the fact that we've been abject morons in delivering our own. in the face of continual warnings that we're falling short of production".
Fucking bunch of wankers
"Ooh ooh, I cant travel to Europe" .... yes you can. You just have a few moe hoops to jump through. But the EU might try to make your life harder
"Oooh, but I need a visa to work or live in the EU" ... Tough shit. So does everyone else in the world. You just lost your automatic right to jump the queue ahead of black and brown people who probably have more to offer than you anyway.
"Oooh, you're stealing vaccines that we should have, despite the fact that we've been abject morons in delivering our own. in the face of continual warnings that we're falling short of production".
Fucking bunch of wankers
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
It's not just that, there's the way their first decision isn't to seek arbitration but to reach for the doomsday Ireland clause
Without it seems consulting dublin
gosub
~#
Still, they've done a good job of preventing continental outbreaks of cheese and ham sandwiches
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
Cheese and ham croissants are a war crime
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
people who eat that sort of thing do deserve quarantining
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