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Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
4 years after the ref and we're still having the same fucking arguments about this shit.
Life must be so much easier on the right, all you have to do is focus on the money.
Life must be so much easier on the right, all you have to do is focus on the money.
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hiraethified
I am quite literally talking about how smaller bands are going to suffer, but that was an excellent attempt at twisting the argument there.
Steel Icarus
ersatz maven
It's great we can talk about Brexit without falling back on the old "look who voted the same as YOU, nerr nerr beer" trope innit
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hiraethified
So you disagreed with the phrase 'Leave Means Leave'?
TopCat
Putin fanboy
I voted leave. Is it not clear that I wanted the uk to leave?
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Shall I throw up some Mandelson quote at you now?
bimble
floofy
I don’t know what these are supposed to mean. Something like fuck them, the silly posh music-mongers ? It’s so stupid I don’t even think there’s anything much to say tbh. I know a few musicians , after this year we’ve had half of them are facing eviction already, they’re a really bad target for this idiot version of class war.
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hiraethified
I've no idea why you would, or why you think it's relevant.
But as a Brexit fan, why don't you finally start explaining the benefits we're all going to be enjoying now that's it's happened?
I've already explained how it's going to impact on me and my fellow musicians negatively when it comes to work, but you've made it clear that you don't give a shit about that, so why not tell what are the benefits I'll soon be enjoying?
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hiraethified
Absolutely. I'm actually a bit shocked by some of the attitudes being posted here.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
No you're not. You're going on about how how the music business is this big important industry, and then equivocating by bringing up starving artists. So which is it? Given the figures you're provided, I'm leaning towards it being an industry, which if it wanted to, could potentially engage in lobbying for its interests, you know, like what other industries do under capitalism.
No. I was pointing out that it's a fucking business, an industry. So complaints about having to meet the operational costs of working in that industry ring hollow.
Steel Icarus
ersatz maven
What do small-time bands tour Europe for? Genuine q.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
You brought up a link to a Farage quote and asked I agreed with it. You know this. It's only a few posts ago.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I'm a non-combatant on the bands and brexit thing, though I'm sure it is going to be worse. However it's worth noting that the whole EU is about preferential treatment over Asian and African economies.
I'm also several pages behind...
pesh
Well-Known Member
Check harder.
I've had friends kill themselves this year after losing all their work, then all hope.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
So this is Brexit
And what have you done?
Another year over
And a new one just begun
With the transition period down to it's last 104 hours, the trade deal agreed, (subject to Parliamentary ratification), and the relevant thread losing it relevance & becoming ever more fractious, maybe it's time to commence another Brexit thread
in which posters can discuss the actual reality of the decision to leave the supra-state?
What actually happens?
Does anything change? For the better/for the worse? For whom?
Sunlit uplands, the slough of despond or just the same shite?
What is project Brexit reality like for you and me?
And, hey...let's all play nicely, eh?
Maybe there'll be nothing to say until the trucks start to queue up on the runway of the former "Kent International" airport once again?
And what have you done?
Another year over
And a new one just begun
With the transition period down to it's last 104 hours, the trade deal agreed, (subject to Parliamentary ratification), and the relevant thread losing it relevance & becoming ever more fractious, maybe it's time to commence another Brexit thread
in which posters can discuss the actual reality of the decision to leave the supra-state?What actually happens?
Does anything change? For the better/for the worse? For whom?
Sunlit uplands, the slough of despond or just the same shite?
What is project Brexit reality like for you and me?
And, hey...let's all play nicely, eh?
Maybe there'll be nothing to say until the trucks start to queue up on the runway of the former "Kent International" airport once again?
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Because playing live music to people from lots of different places is really fulfilling, meeting people face to face and making connections across distance is really important artistically imo.
Its def not an industry ha. Not just w hobby either though, even though it doesnt pay the bills.
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hiraethified
Build up a following, make contacts, sell records, sell merchandise, maybe get on some local TV/radio stations and maybe get to meet local promoters or festival organisers. Even before the various flavours of lockdown, there was a rapidly decreasing pool of live venues available, so Europe provided more opportunities for gigs - in fact, pre-Brexit, it could be just as easy for a London band to play France that somewhere up North.
Artaxerxes
Look out, he's got a gnu!
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Clearly you have never been to Lancaster
Re: HS2 - i highly doubt the trains will be as comfortable and swish as the freccia rossa in Italy. Italy also has a big inferiority complex wrt France though on some things (high speed rail being one, bathrooms being another) they have them soundly beat
E2A even if HS2 somehow is as swanky and cool as freccia rossa i bet the price per mile travelled in the UK will be significantly higher, given that it already is on the slow UK trains. The turin-Milan route, which is roughly equivalent to London-Mancheste, takes 2 hours on the slow train (12 euro fixed price) and 1 hour on the fast train (max price 32 euro if booked on the same day, normally much cheaper if booked in advance)
Not recently. Lancaster does (or at least did) have the best under-castle pub in the world though.
prunus
Tick tock.
I do, yes; I likely have more practical experience of the processes of divorces than the average person, from both my personal and professional lives.
So let me try to extrapolate an answer to my question from your posited analogy.
Divorces involve many disbenefits of different kinds to both parties; financially both parties will be worse off in the short to medium term, and in the case of the financially weaker party (the UK in this case) likely in the long and foreseeable term too. There are obviously immediate practical disbenefits too - ie having to arrange the divorce terms; in a case where the parties have to continue dealing with each other (for example children, or shared trade, or one could look two geographical blocks having to stay next to each other like a divorced couple having to continue living in the same house) there will have to be continued arrangements too, which all-too-often (and certainly much more often than not) are contiuned sources of acrimony (and hence disbenefit) as well.
Divorcing parties bear these large and long-term financial and practical disbenefits because they cannot at an emotional level countenance continuing to live together. They consider the emotional benefit worth all the practical disbenefits.
I extract from this that your answer might mean that you recognise there are no practical benefits from leaving the EU, however you were made so emotionally unhappy by living in a UK that was part of the EU that any disbenefit from leaving is outweighed by the emotional benefit of removing that source of unhappiness. Is this close to a correct summary?
TopCat
Putin fanboy
This plus my other post.
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hiraethified
Here's the bit you forgot to answer. Be great if you could explain because then I might understand your enthusiasm for Brexit and why the benefits are so great that you're seemingly happy for musicians to be collateral damage in all this.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Hiya!
Excited?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Kent international offers flights to Wales, Scotland and Northern IrelandSo this is Brexit
And what have you done?
Another year over
And a new one just begun
With the transition period down to it's last 56 hours, the trade deal agreed, (subject to Parliamentary ratification), and the relevant thread losing it relevance & becoming ever more fractious, maybe it's time to commence another Brexit thread
What actually happens?
Does anything change? For the better/for the worse? For whom?
Sunlit uplands, the slough of despond or just the same shite?
What is project Brexit reality like for you and me?
And, hey...let's all play nicely, eh?
Maybe there'll be nothing to say until the trucks start to queue up on the runway of the former "Kent International" airport once again?
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