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[krtek a houby]

After a week in captivity without food the cabinet will be ready to be live exported

And oven ready

 

[TopCat]

There are some heartfelt issues raised here by ordinary folk What the European Union has meant to us

Cor blimey guv it was great to read about the impacts on ordinary people.

 

[NoXion]

Imagine that you never went to Uni, that foreign holidays are an absurd dream and being able to tour Europe as apart of a band an even more vain ambition. In other words, imagine that you're not one of the professional middle class. That's millions of ordinary working class folks in this country. Now try to imagine how out of touch some PMC type whining about such things might sound to someone who's never benefited. And no, slapping the EU flag on some token efforts at patching the vast gaps left by neoliberal shite is not sufficient grounds for such folks to fall in love with the EU.

 

[NoXion]

Cor blimey guv it was great to read about the impacts on ordinary people.

All PMC types I can't help but notice!

 

[Artaxerxes]

Generally cheaper, but they are catching up with the U.K.’s rip off levels.

Booked in advance UK trains aren't to dissimilar from European trains but that supposes you are aware of a) what time your travelling, b) know you want to go to a specific place 4 weeks in advance, instead of just rocking up and going to the seaside cos its a nice day or heading into London to catch up with a mate.

If you suddenly need to go to Manchester or something your fucked.

 

[TopCat]

You don't have any reply, though, do you? So you're reduced to belittling the concerns of others or pretending that it's all just about middle class wankers who deserve to lose out.

It's over, we are out. When you stop whinging about this I might just stop ripping the piss out of your ridiculous attitudes.

 

[TopCat]

All PMC types I can't help but notice!

Innit. Professional viola players and EU employees .

 

[TopCat]

It would be great and useful if say all the keyworker sectors were interviewed about the impacts of leaving.

 

[editor]

Indeed.

I thought editor went peak remoaner earlier but you have soared above him.

Is this all you can do now? Throw around random insults?

 

[bimble]

All professional musicians are very rich and posh and it’ll do them good to fuck off and get proper jobs.

 

[TopCat]

Indeed.

Is this all you can do now? Throw around random insults?

Have a look at your own behaviour. Your contribution to this thread has essentially been a repetition that brexit is shit and brexiteers are thick racists.

 

[TopCat]

My insults are not random btw.

 

[editor]

You are spinning in this post so fast your bowler hat has fallen off.

Going to organise a Support The City event?

Making comments on someone's personal appearance is never, ever a classy look here, neither is your wilful misrepresentation of what I said.

 

[editor]

Imagine that you never went to Uni, that foreign holidays are an absurd dream and being able to tour Europe as apart of a band an even more vain ambition. In other words, imagine that you're not one of the professional middle class. That's millions of ordinary working class folks in this country. Now try to imagine how out of touch some PMC type whining about such things might sound to someone who's never benefited. And no, slapping the EU flag on some token efforts at patching the vast gaps left by neoliberal shite is not sufficient grounds for such folks to fall in love with the EU.

Wait. So now it's only members of the 'professional middle class' who ever get to play gigs in Europe? You clearly don't know many musicians.

 

[editor]

Have a look at your own behaviour. Your contribution to this thread has essentially been a repetition that brexit is shit and brexiteers are thick racists.

Can you show me one quote - just the one will do - where I assert that ALL Brexiteers are "thick racists"? Thanks.

But are you insisting that the rise of xenophobia and racism has absolutely nothing to do with Brexit? In which case, have a read:

Brexit 'major influence' in racism and hate crime rise

Community officers are being appointed around Wales to help deal with "tensions" in some areas.

www.bbc.co.uk

Racism rising since Brexit vote, nationwide study reveals

Survey shows 71% of people from ethnic minorities faced discrimination, up from 58%

www.theguardian.com

 

[NoXion]

Wait. So now it's only members of the 'professional middle class' who ever get to play gigs in Europe? You clearly don't know many musicians,

No, I'm in agreement with you that it's practically a rite of passage for working class kids in the UK to do tours of Europe. Right after their skiing holidays in the Alps.

 

[editor]

No, I'm in agreement with you that it's practically a rite of passage for working class kids in the UK to do tours of Europe. Right after their skiing holidays in the Alps.

What a strange and bizarre strawman you're building here.

 

[Maltin]

Imagine that you never went to Uni, that foreign holidays are an absurd dream and being able to tour Europe as apart of a band an even more vain ambition. In other words, imagine that you're not one of the professional middle class.

You think that working class people don't go on holidays overseas?

 

[sleaterkinney]

The price of everything and the value of nothing.

 

[not-bono-ever]

No, I'm in agreement with you that it's practically a rite of passage for working class kids in the UK to do tours of Europe. Right after their skiing holidays in the Alps.

That is shite and you know it

 

[NoXion]

What a strange and bizarre strawman you're building here.

Exactly. So it is a small minority who get the luxury of touring Europe, right?

 

[not-bono-ever]

4th fuck it of the day

 

[sleaterkinney]

Have a look at your own behaviour. Your contribution to this thread has essentially been a repetition that brexit is shit and brexiteers are thick racists.

Not all brexiteers, for others it's a vital first step on the road to full communism.

 

[NoXion]

You think that working class people don't go on holidays overseas?

I know that I definitely couldn't afford that shit when earning minimum wage. I had more important things to spend the money on. Folks who can afford to swan off on some holly-jollies are definitely the minority among the social circles I live in.

 

[Flavour]

Imagine that you never went to Uni, that foreign holidays are an absurd dream and being able to tour Europe as apart of a band an even more vain ambition. In other words, imagine that you're not one of the professional middle class. That's millions of ordinary working class folks in this country. Now try to imagine how out of touch some PMC type whining about such things might sound to someone who's never benefited. And no, slapping the EU flag on some token efforts at patching the vast gaps left by neoliberal shite is not sufficient grounds for such folks to fall in love with the EU.

Plenty of working class musicians have played gigs in Europe, come on. This is exactly what I mean about useless exaggeration about hypothetical beneficiaries and non-beneficiaries of EU membership. It's not just the middle class who go on foreign holidays either, plenty of working class people go to Spain every year. What % of the British population have never been on a single foreign holiday? I bet its a much smaller % than in many/most other European countries

 

[NoXion]

Plenty of working class musicians have played gigs in Europe, come on. This is exactly what I mean about useless exaggeration about hypothetical beneficiaries and non-beneficiaries of EU membership. It's not just the middle class who go on foreign holidays either, plenty of working class people go to Spain every year. What % of the British population have never been on a single foreign holiday? I bet its a much smaller % than in many/most other European countries

Most working class folk aren't even musicians, let alone ones big enough to tour Europe. If you want to be serious about uselessly exaggerated benefits, then I think the discussion should be moved on from the gig thing.

 

[Flavour]

The fact that most working class people are not musicians has no bearing on the fact that a sizable chunk are and that plenty of have them toured outside the UK without becoming PMC tarquins. But I agree the musician/gig thing is just 1 very small aspect of this whole thing.

 

[editor]

Most working class folk aren't even musicians, let alone ones big enough to tour Europe. If you want to be serious about uselessly exaggerated benefits, then I think the discussion should be moved on from the gig thing.

You seem to think a band has to be 'big' to play gigs in Europe. That is total fucking bollocks. And for many bands, tours are anything but 'luxurious.'

Exactly. So it is a small minority who get the luxury of touring Europe, right?

You appear to be claiming that playing gigs in Europe is solely a middle class occupation which of, course, is another load of ignorant bollocks.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

People I know who toured Europe doing gigs were mostly doing so in between signing on days. Much harder to do now of course. #brexitisn'ttheonlybadthingintheworld

 

[The39thStep]

Plenty of working class musicians have played gigs in Europe, come on. This is exactly what I mean about useless exaggeration about hypothetical beneficiaries and non-beneficiaries of EU membership. It's not just the middle class who go on foreign holidays either, plenty of working class people go to Spain every year. What % of the British population have never been on a single foreign holiday? I bet its a much smaller % than in many/most other European countries

Around 27 % . Its in the middle for EU countries