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[Bahnhof Strasse]

"Bands routinely tour Europe but not non-EU states at a loss to promote their work"

That's an impressive strawmen you've just put up there. Try reading what I actually wrote without filling in all the gaps with your imagination. And then maybe you might get to your Big Point.

My point was you and your mates will not need a carnet but you may need a work visa if you wish to work in the EU. You have been stressing about this, especially the carnet thing for quite a while. It seems you are still not happy and that you should be given preferential treatment over African or Asian bands.

 

[editor]

My point was you and your mates will not need a carnet but you may need a work visa if you wish to work in the EU. You have been stressing about this, especially the carnet thing for quite a while. It seems you are still not happy and that you should be given preferential treatment over African or Asian bands.

Just when I thought you couldn't sink any lower you try and place the race card.

 

[Pickman's model]

was never really for brexit.

but now it's happened, i want it to work. want it to work because i have two young kids and care about the future of the nation. i get the sense that people like my dad are praying for it to go tits up, purely because he was so against. it.

yeh well you'll need to do something more substantial than pray for it to work because it's too big a job for the almighty

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Just when I thought you couldn't sink any lower you try and place the race card.

FFS

Sober up and revisit that

 

[Pickman's model]

My point was you and your mates will not need a carnet but you may need a work visa if you wish to work in the EU. You have been stressing about this, especially the carnet thing for quite a while. It seems you are still not happy and that you should be given preferential treatment over African or Asian bands.

Do Albanian bands need visas?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Do Albanian bands need visas?

If they wish to play in Aberystwyth.

 

[editor]

FFS

Sober up and revisit that

I'm stone cold sober. What's your excuse for inventing low, dishonest claims that I've been arguing for "preferential treatment over African or Asian bands"?

I want things to be made easier for all bands to play anywhere, and if you know anything about touring and playing abroad, you'd know that as it stands, Brexit is going to make things a lot worse.

 

[ska invita]

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You and your wife both voted differently to how you originally intended because of that?
And you reckon other people did so too?
Jesus wept.
Openly racist campaigning from Nigel Farage, also floating on the Thames at that very moment was fine by you, but Geldof dicking about sent you over the edge? No wonder we keep getting Tory governments if this is the kind of thought processes going on out there.

 

[Lucy Fur]

It’s not ideal, not sure where you are with the insurance angle, but had Geldof not done what he did Frau Bahn and I would have voted remain, I can’t imagine we were the only people.

Really? And the very real jeopardy and pain people are consequently going to feel, including your children, you believe is justified by your dislike of Bob fucking Geldof. I understand people had good reason for voting Brexit, but that's not one. For shame.

 

[Flavour]

I see I can't buy wine from Italy any more - the company in question have stopped shipping to the UK but also RoI for the time being. I guess maybe it was a risk to leave it as a possibility over Christmas, or maybe we can expect shipping costs to change, or maybe it's just not worth the hassle any more.

Surely a temp thing -- the Italian newspapers were all very pleased with the tariff- and quota-free goods trade continuing post-Brexit as the UK is one of their biggest markets. Talk of prosecco's demise has been greatly exaggerated. But I bet you're more of a nebbiolo man.

 

[mauvais]

Surely a temp thing -- the Italian newspapers were all very pleased with the tariff- and quota-free goods trade continuing post-Brexit as the UK is one of their biggest markets. Talk of prosecco's demise has been greatly exaggerated. But I bet you're more of a nebbiolo man.

Darling, I'm all about Sardinian Cannonau. Clinging to what, 2015 holiday memories? Works for me.

 

[TopCat]

And your last sentence sounds like something a Tory dad would say to crush the dreams of his musician children.

Peak reached.

 

[Flavour]

Darling, I'm all about Sardinian Cannonau. Clinging to what, 2015 holiday memories? Works for me.

Fair enough -- it is generally much better value for money than the Cote du Rhone wines (which are primarily made with the same grape variety, Grenache, same thing as Cannonau), which I guess could be said to be true of Italian vs French wine overall.

 

[The39thStep]

Really? And the very real jeopardy and pain people are consequently going to feel, including your children, you believe is justified by your dislike of Bob fucking Geldof. I understand people had good reason for voting Brexit, but that's not one. For shame.

So the jeopardy and pain already felt by many including children under successive governments in the U.K. and EU over the last decade or so has just been a picnic ?

 

[TopCat]

What about the dogs?

 

[Lucy Fur]

So the jeopardy and pain already felt by many including children under successive governments in the U.K. and EU over the last decade or so has just been a picnic ?

Point missed, completely . To reiterate it for you, people had good reasons for voting Brexit. Not liking Bob Geldof is not one. But whatever, tis done now so why not cheer us up with your sunny uplands predictions.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

You and your wife both voted differently to how you originally intended because of that?
And you reckon other people did so too?
Jesus wept.
Openly racist campaigning from Nigel Farage, also floating on the Thames at that very moment was fine by you, but Geldof dicking about sent you over the edge? No wonder we keep getting Tory governments if this is the kind of thought processes going on out there.

I am not married. We looked at who were the cunts were on each side, there were a lot to choose from. Geldof tipped the balance. All I wanted was kaos, I won.

 

[kabbes]

I’m confused by this touring Paris, Berlin and whatever thing for apparently €300 a gig. My band are rank amateurs playing local pubs that just want to get a few extra bums on seats and sports clubs for their socials and we still charge £200. And we’re cheap as these things go. Who is a recording artist with an album but only charging £270 for a gig that is dedicated just to them?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Really? And the very real jeopardy and pain people are consequently going to feel, including your children, you believe is justified by your dislike of Bob fucking Geldof. I understand people had good reason for voting Brexit, but that's not one. For shame.

What pain will my children feel?

 

[krtek a houby]

An Irish citizen sticking his oar in, always going to end well.

We might have to stick a few more oars in, before it's all over.

 

[TopCat]

What pain will my children feel?

The pain of buying wine locally?

 

[two sheds]

What about the dogs?

They'll all get passports

 

[TopCat]

They'll all get passports

Their own queue as well?

 

[two sheds]

Dog Qanons

 

[Lucy Fur]

What pain will my children feel?

Opportunitys they will no longer have. You could argue they won't know what they never had. I also acknowledge that that was a charged statement, and apologize for it. I still think that if your reason for voting Brexit was Geldof, you're an arse. Soz, I'd always liked you as a poster.

 

[mauvais]

You could argue they won't know what they never had

I suspect they might not know what they did have either.

 

[Yossarian]

“It means a process of almost permanent negotiation between Britain and the E.U.,” Mr. Grant said, “and every time that happens, it will pump up the emotion and the rhetoric.”

Pretty smart of them to set up a state of constant friction with the EU, really - it'll give the Tories a convenient scapegoat for when Britain unaccountably fails to prosper as a swashbuckling global free trade giant with a thriving manufacturing industry.

 

[rutabowa]

I’m confused by this touring Paris, Berlin and whatever thing for apparently €300 a gig. My band are rank amateurs playing local pubs that just want to get a few extra bums on seats and sports clubs for their socials and we still charge £200. And we’re cheap as these things go. Who is a recording artist with an album but only charging £270 for a gig that is dedicated just to them?

It is a whole separate thing to what you are doing, and quite believable. The type of band that goes on tour makes profit off selling merch. It is a hustle.

 

[Smangus]

Bob Geldof?

Yeah. Bono I could understand but Saint Bob?

 

[kabbes]

It is a whole separate thing to what you are doing, and quite believable. The type of band that goes on tour makes profit off selling merch. It is a hustle.

Blimey. A new economics of it might be necessary then. Maybe the venues that are apparently exploiting the fuck out of these bands might have to share a fraction more. Even if they’re only selling 100 tickets at a tenner a go plus taking at least twice that on the bar, it’s likely they’re handing over something like just 10% of the take. Twice the customers and it drops to 5%. If they want to carry on putting on the bands, they might have to share a little more.