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[Flavour]

Anyone got a clue as to what wriggle room individual EU states may have with this ?

The fact there is still FoM between UK and Ireland sets precedent, there could in theory be separate FoM agreements signed with individual member states, but I think its unlikely to happen cos the UK gov won't seek it and the EU wouldn't like it if they did.

 

[The39thStep]

How did Cliff Richard get away with in Summer Holiday ?

 

[Raheem]

The fact there is still FoM between UK and Ireland sets precedent, there could in theory be separate FoM agreements signed with individual member states

Yes, but a country can only really logically be part of one free travel area, so we couldn't have a bilateral agreement with a country that is in Schengen, which is the rest of them except Ireland.

 

[brogdale]

The fact there is still FoM between UK and Ireland sets precedent, there could in theory be separate FoM agreements signed with individual member states, but I think its unlikely to happen cos the UK gov won't seek it and the EU wouldn't like it if they did.

A 'precedent' set about 50 years before the UK's accession to the supra-state.

 

[Winot]

oh look Johnson lied

 

[Kaka Tim]

what good fortune for johnson and co that the deal somehow got signed late on xmas eve - with mps and the media off mostly off duty cos xmass and several days before anyone is going to be paying attention to disgruntled ERG types or fucked off sections of the uk economy who may have been chucked under a bus. couldn't have been better timing if he'd planned it like that!

 

[gosub]

what good fortune for johnson and co that the deal somehow got signed late on xmas eve - with mps and the media off mostly off duty cos xmass and several days before anyone is going to be paying attention to disgruntled ERG types or fucked off sections of the uk economy who may have been chucked under a bus. couldn't have been better timing if he'd planned it like that!

Was always going to have to be the way it was done if you think about it, nut added Covid helped him no end. Agree with a fir amount of this Boris Johnson has 'got Brexit done'. With a deal that will please no one | Martin Kettle

 

[Raheem]

oh look Johnson lied

This type of thing is worrying, cos it's potentially the way to fuck everything up. There must be a risk that MEPs won't ratify it if they feel the British public is being made promises that would breach it.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

There will be no tariffs on goods. editor that means there will be no need for carnets as even if you flog you drumsticks in Düsseldorf there’s no taxes to be paid, so no need for a carnet.

Musicians entering the EU to work will still need a working visa though. Possible get around could be a U.K. company sending you there to work on their behalf and the gig somehow pays that U.K. company who then pays its employees, the musicians.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Verdict on it; carry on as we were and we’ll sort it out as we go along. An amicable divorce.

 

[teqniq]

Speaking of musicians, a short thread on the unviability of touring Europe now we've left:

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Speaking of musicians, a short thread on the unviability of touring Europe now we've left:

What is this saying? You’ll get €900 for touring Paris, Berlin and Amsterdam with with six people? Not really viable under any conditions is it. Maybe stick to three pubs in your local areas and stick with your day jobs until the money is a bit more credible?

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

There will be no tariffs on goods. editor that means there will be no need for carnets as even if you flog you drumsticks in Düsseldorf there’s no taxes to be paid, so no need for a carnet.

Musicians entering the EU to work will still need a working visa though. Possible get around could be a U.K. company sending you there to work on their behalf and the gig somehow pays that U.K. company who then pays its employees, the musicians.

Pretty much every touring company I know is saying carnets will be required.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Pretty much every touring company I know is saying carnets will be required.

If there are no duties on goods, why would there be?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Carnets cover the possibility of goods being sold without taxes being levied. A carnet absolves you of the need to pay tax as it guarantees you removing the goods. If there is no duty there is no need for a carnet. Who in your touring companies should I send my tax advice invoices to?

 

[mauvais]

I see I can't buy wine from Italy any more - the company in question have stopped shipping to the UK but also RoI for the time being. I guess maybe it was a risk to leave it as a possibility over Christmas, or maybe we can expect shipping costs to change, or maybe it's just not worth the hassle any more.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I see I can't buy wine from Italy any more - the company in question have stopped shipping to the UK but also RoI for the time being. I guess maybe it was a risk to leave it as a possibility over Christmas, or maybe we can expect shipping costs to change, or maybe it's just not worth the hassle any more.

You buy wine from a company in Italy? Where do you buy your vinegars and oils from? You bourgeois bellend.

 

[mauvais]

You buy wine from a company in Italy?

Buy italian wine online - Xtrawine

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www.xtrawine.com

Where do you buy your vinegars and oils from?

Tesco.

You bourgeois bellend.

Hiya!

 

[editor]

Musicians entering the EU to work will still need a working visa though. Possible get around could be a U.K. company sending you there to work on their behalf and the gig somehow pays that U.K. company who then pays its employees, the musicians.

That's really not a very workable solution. In fact it's pretty much totally impracticable for my band - and I imagine you'd be fucked for insurance too if you're going to start spinning those kind of yarns.

 

[editor]

What is this saying? You’ll get €900 for touring Paris, Berlin and Amsterdam with with six people? Not really viable under any conditions is it. Maybe stick to three pubs in your local areas and stick with your day jobs until the money is a bit more credible?

You don't seem to understand how the music business works. It's not unusual for small bands to go on tour and make a loss if they're promoting a new album. But now it looks like the Brexit deal means that the size of those losses will become untenable.

And your last sentence sounds like something a Tory dad would say to crush the dreams of his musician children.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

That's really not a very workable solution. In fact it's pretty much totally impracticable for my band - and I imagine you'd be fucked for insurance too if you're going to start spinning those kind of yarns.

It’s not ideal, not sure where you are with the insurance angle, but had Geldof not done what he did Frau Bahn and I would have voted remain, I can’t imagine we were the only people.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

You don't seem to understand how the music business works. It's not unusual for small bands to go on tour and make a loss if they're promoting a new album. But now it looks like the Brexit deal means that the size of those losses will become untenable.

And your last sentence sounds like something a Tory dad would say to crush the dreams of his musician children.

How much of a loss has you band made touring Europe? Hard figures or fuck off, please.

 

[ska invita]

It’s not ideal, not sure where you are with the insurance angle, but had Geldof not done what he did Frau Bahn and I would have voted remain, I can’t imagine we were the only people.

Bob Geldof?

 

[editor]

How much of a loss has you band made touring Europe? Hard figures or fuck off, please.

That's none of your business actually, and you need to wind your neck in.

But what is your point here - that bands never lose money on tours of Europe? Or that Brexit won't make the situation worse?

Non sweary, reality-based answer appreciated.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

This type of thing is worrying, cos it's potentially the way to fuck everything up. There must be a risk that MEPs won't ratify it if they feel the British public is being made promises that would breach it.

my cynical side wonders if that's the plan?

johnson gets the 'no deal' that will make loads of money for his hedge fund chums, but can spin it as all the EU's fault and he did his best...

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

That's none of your business actually, and you need to wind your neck in.

But what is your point here - that bands never lose money on tours of Europe? Or that Brexit won't make the situation worse?

Non sweary, reality-based answer appreciated.

Bands routinely tour Europe but not non-EU states at a loss to promote their work. That is your position. Back it up. In a non-sweaty manner. Off you fucking go.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Bob Geldof?

 

[editor]

Bands routinely tour Europe but not non-EU states at a loss to promote their work. That is your position. Back it up. In a non-sweaty manner. Off you fucking go.

"Bands routinely tour Europe but not non-EU states at a loss to promote their work"

That's an impressive strawmen you've just put up there. Try reading what I actually wrote without filling in all the gaps with your imagination. And then maybe you might get to your Big Point.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

An Irish citizen sticking his oar in, always going to end well.

 

[BigMoaner]

was never really for brexit.

but now it's happened, i want it to work. want it to work because i have two young kids and care about the future of the nation. i get the sense that people like my dad are praying for it to go tits up, purely because he was so against. it.