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[Pickman's model]

At last a party that many on here will have been waiting for that tackles their key concerns Volt stands for Rejoin. A fig leaf Brexit deal misses what we love about Europe

They'll be known as ReVolt in days and revolting within a week. In a fortnight they'll have gone and by the end of January they'll be forgotten

 

[The39thStep]

They'll be known as ReVolt in days and revolting within a week. In a fortnight they'll have gone and by the end of January they'll be forgotten

Be a great shame for some posters on here if that was the case . Labour likely to vote for the agreement ,even if some of their continuity remainers rebel and take a valiant stand by abstaining, and the Lib Dems policy of not campaigning for rejoin in the forseeable future . There is still the Lord Adonis lobby though.

 

[Pickman's model]

Be a great shame for some posters on here if that was the case . Labour likely to vote for the agreement ,even if some of their continuity remainers rebel and take a valiant stand by abstaining, and the Lib Dems policy of not campaigning for rejoin in the forseeable future . There is still the Lord Adonis lobby though.

A great shame lord adonis hasn't gone the way of the original adonis

 

[Dogsauce]

At last a party that many on here will have been waiting for that tackles their key concerns Volt stands for Rejoin. A fig leaf Brexit deal misses what we love about Europe

Apparently the first concern of most British people is the loss of the ability to take their dog abroad.

 

[The39thStep]

Apparently the first concern of most British people is the loss of the ability to take their dog abroad.

and ferrets

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

That is quite astonishing, their first paragraph on their reason for being (not raison d'etre any more obvs.)

A Brexit Deal is most certainly welcomed against a no deal however it fails to protect the issues that real people actually cared about. British people care about being able to take their dog on holiday in the summer. Without pet passports that will no longer be possible. Roaming charges will skyrocket once again, card charges might too! Healthcare will go as well, anyone with a pre-existing medical condition may struggle to afford health insurance. Students cared about being able to spend a few months abroad to study in a different country, without Erasmus they lose their funding and their grades might not follow them home. How many families can afford to send their son/daughter to Paris for 3 months? Most of all, when we order Italian wine, we expect it to be Italian. When Italians buy our kippers, they expect them to be from the Isle of Man, what will happen to our food? Britain is a food loving nation and that seems to have been forgotten.

Is all wrong. A new pet passport scheme has been confirmed, all mobile operators have pledged not to reintroduce roaming charges, and a revised EHIC system has been agreed, and a new version of Erasmus to allow study abroad, this time worldwide, so better than Erasmus. Italian wine will still be Italian and I had no idea that Italians loved to source their kippers from outside of the EU, not sure how the UK re-joining the EU will affect Isle of Man kippers...

 

[brogdale]

At last a party that many on here will have been waiting for that tackles their key concerns Volt stands for Rejoin. A fig leaf Brexit deal misses what we love about Europe

Disappointing they've not be able to work the portmanteau Brejoin into their party name.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

I’m hoping that the absolute dominance of political debate by Brexit is ended by reaching this stage, and finally other issues can be raised and discussed. It’s like no ground could be made on anything else, and too much ‘you’re not on my side’. Yet sadly I suspect the right will continue to play the culture war game because it benefits them, and we never really move on from this dogshit.

Supporters of the likes of Farage are not gonna shut up about it.

 

[The39thStep]

Supporters of the likes of Farage are not gonna shut up about it.

Neither are continuity remain tbf

 

[andysays]

Apparently the first concern of most British people is the loss of the ability to take their dog abroad.

If only the Remain campaign had focused on the core issues like that, it could all have been avoided...

 

[The39thStep]

That is quite astonishing, their first paragraph on their reason for being (not raison d'etre any more obvs.)

A Brexit Deal is most certainly welcomed against a no deal however it fails to protect the issues that real people actually cared about. British people care about being able to take their dog on holiday in the summer. Without pet passports that will no longer be possible. Roaming charges will skyrocket once again, card charges might too! Healthcare will go as well, anyone with a pre-existing medical condition may struggle to afford health insurance. Students cared about being able to spend a few months abroad to study in a different country, without Erasmus they lose their funding and their grades might not follow them home. How many families can afford to send their son/daughter to Paris for 3 months? Most of all, when we order Italian wine, we expect it to be Italian. When Italians buy our kippers, they expect them to be from the Isle of Man, what will happen to our food? Britain is a food loving nation and that seems to have been forgotten.

Is all wrong. A new pet passport scheme has been confirmed, all mobile operators have pledged not to reintroduce roaming charges, and a revised EHIC system has been agreed, and a new version of Erasmus to allow study abroad, this time worldwide, so better than Erasmus. Italian wine will still be Italian and I had no idea that Italians loved to source their kippers from outside of the EU, not sure how the UK re-joining the EU will affect Isle of Man kippers...

The only kippers I've seen in Portugal are at the tourist area supermarkets mainly those awful tinned ones and on odd occasions frozen ones in plastic bags.

 

[The39thStep]

Just read that George Blake the KGB spy has died. Apparently despite there being no EU with open borders his escape from prison in the UK included being driven to the coast in a camper van , boarding a ferry across the English Channel the van was then driven across northern Europe and into east Germany, where he met his handlers and completed his escape to the Soviet Union. Obviously didn't take a pet with him though.

 

[ska invita]

Just read that George Blake the KGB spy has died. Apparently despite there being no EU with open borders his escape from prison in the UK included being driven to the coast in a camper van , boarding a ferry across the English Channel the van was then driven across northern Europe and into east Germany, where he met his handlers and completed his escape to the Soviet Union. Obviously didn't take a pet with him though.

Is it certain he was a spy btw?

 

[The39thStep]

Is it certain he was a spy btw?

Being known by the Russians as Colonel Georgiy Ivanovich Bleyk and being decorated by the KGB might give the game away. Here's what he said in an interview Ex-KGB dusts off Cold War prize: UK spy Blake at 90

 

[Pickman's model]

Is it certain he was a spy btw?

Yes, he was employed by mi6

 

[Pickman's model]

The only kippers I've seen in Portugal are at the tourist area supermarkets mainly those awful tinned ones and on odd occasions frozen ones in plastic bags.

 

[Winot]

List of exemptions for work visas here:



Does not include musicians so EU tours just became a whole lot harder.

Not clear whether my profession exempt (in normal times we visit EU for legal hearings).

 

[Flavour]

I had no idea that Italians loved to source their kippers from outside of the EU, not sure how the UK re-joining the EU will affect Isle of Man kippers...

Why do you think the Isle of Man and Sicily have the same flag? Just for fun? A thousand years of kipper-based friendship between the two islands, linked by their Norman pasts and fervent love of kippers and dangerous motorcycle riding. It is no laughing matter. And no coincidence that the largest and most vocal anti-Brexit protests in Italy (if not Europe!) were in Palermo and Catania.

 

[Dogsauce]

List of exemptions for work visas here:



Does not include musicians so EU tours just became a whole lot harder.

Not clear whether my profession exempt (in normal times we visit EU for legal hearings).

Musicians just have to play gigs that are rebranded as ‘Trade Fairs’. Easy Peasy.

 

[TopCat]

Musicians just have to play gigs that are rebranded as ‘Trade Fairs’. Easy Peasy.

It's going to be hard. Obviously there was no such thing as a foreign gig prior to the EU.

 

[Winot]

It's going to be hard. Obviously there was no such thing as a foreign gig prior to the EU.

Facile comment. No one is suggesting that it will be impossible to perform. It’s undeniable though that it be more hassle and expense.

 

[TopCat]

Facile comment. No one is suggesting that it will be impossible to perform. It’s undeniable though that it be more hassle and expense.

Probably just a carnet form for the band gear. Like the olden days.

 

[brogdale]

It's going to be hard. Obviously there was no such thing as a foreign gig prior to the EU.

I really am at a loss to see the point of outright denying the perception of barriers by any one particular interest group?
Professionals active in their field are well placed to express their view of how the superstructural rearrangement might hinder their trade, aren't they?
Irrespective of your own view of Brexit, where's the utility in denial?

 

[Dogsauce]

Probably just a carnet form for the band gear. Like the olden days.

not if you’re not allowed to ‘work’. It was kind of nice for my old lot to just roll off the ferry in Calais in the back of an aging Bedford CF, sleep on floors of decrepit squats or plush German youth clubs, no hassle or bureaucracy. Only Switzerland was a pain in the arse because of the carnet stuff, even if just passing through. Nice while it lasted.

 

[not-bono-ever]

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[not-bono-ever]

fuck it.

 

[TopCat]

I really am at a loss to see the point of outright denying the perception of barriers by any one particular interest group?
Professionals active in their field are well placed to express their view of how the superstructural rearrangement might hinder their trade, aren't they?
Irrespective of your own view of Brexit, where's the utility in denial?

You sure do write funny.

 

[brogdale]

You sure do write funny.

 

[The39thStep]

Facile comment. No one is suggesting that it will be impossible to perform. It’s undeniable though that it be more hassle and expense.

Anyone got a clue as to what wriggle room individual EU states may have with this ?

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Probably just a carnet form for the band gear. Like the olden days.

Which were shit.