TrippyLondoner
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Ohh err, i misread what the stats were of. Heh.
The Ashes 2009
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Ohh err, i misread what the stats were of. Heh.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
He averages about 32 with bat and ball.Sometimes stats don't lie. His personal stats are ordinary by any standard. 30 odd with the bat and 40 odd with the ball. I think scott styris can probably beat that
He's got a hold over the english public though, which is fair enough. I think its the boozing that people relate to. hell even i can relate to that. btw, one day I'll share with you all my role in the fredalo incident. ahhh.. st lucia... good memories.
He got off to a slow start to his career and he has struggled badly in Asia. This match isn't in Asia, and he is, when fit, a better bowler now than he was when he started.
Plus, his stats include match-turning performances. That's important – Bell averages 40 with the bat but has not put in a single match-turning performance ever.
TrippyLondoner
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Good points. cricket stats do lie and are misleading.
Do you think he's the best player in the team?
TrippyLondoner
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Best bowler, definitely, and when in form with the bat he can turn a game around aswell.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
They don't exactly lie – at the end of a long career (50+ matches) played all over the world, you can take stock of the stats. Averaging 32 with bat and ball isn't awful and isn't brilliant. He should average lower than that with the ball, but for various reasons doesn't, including being misused by England captains and bowling far too long spells.
Because they're not english
So when British people move over to Aus or NZ you only call them poms if they're English?
I mean etymologically speaking, if we're assuming that it does mean 'Prisoners of Her Majesty', then the Welsh and Scottish could be argued to be just as much so, being (currently) part of one soverign state...
I'd always assumed it meant anyone British, rather than the English exclusively.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
He is England's best bowler and on the rationale that a team's best bowler is by far the most important member of that team, yes he's the best player.
Yep. His test bowling average is actually better than Garry Sobers. Just that Sobers was so much better with the bat.
TrippyLondoner
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Strauss is even better than KP atm.
TrippyLondoner
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Yeah. We get it.
I've no idea of the origin of the word, but it most definitely doesn't include the welsh or the scots. Not where I was brought up anyway. It's not derogatory in all contexts either. Only when suffixed by 'bastards'.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Sobers was a batting allrounder. Very rare breed that. Kallis is the only other one that immediately springs to mind.
Yes. We love you convicts too.
paulhackett
voiced by strother martin
At his peak 2003-2005 Fred over 30 tests to the end of the Ashes averaged 43.43 with the bat and 27.86 with the ball.. 2000 runs in 30 tests and 110 wickets.. not the greatest, but that, and the way he played and that it culminated in the Ashes is why he'll go down as a great of this era.. plus you need to listen to what the opposition say.
It was like when Bicknell took wickets for Surrey.. because Waqar was at the other end..
It was like when Bicknell took wickets for Surrey.. because Waqar was at the other end..
paulhackett
voiced by strother martin
Sobers was a batting allrounder. Very rare breed that. Kallis is the only other one that immediately springs to mind.
Kallis is a great.. he just seems to have had a career by numbers though. Are there any highlights?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
He is a singularly dull batsman to watch and a surprisingly effective bowler given how ordinary he looks, but he has made a ton of runs for SA and he chips in as, effectively, half a bowler (half in terms of the number of overs bowled, not quality – he has a better bowling average than Flintoff!). When they had him and Pollock in the team, they had basically three high-quality players in two.
And still they never won the World Cup.
TrippyLondoner
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Take a wicket. Take a wicket.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Like England, who've played in all of them. The criticism of Kallis, of course, is that he sometimes appears to play for his average rather than the team, something that most emphatically could never be said of Flintoff.
England have the excuse of being shit though.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It's ironic, really. The only country with a fully professional first class set-up should be world-beaters, really.
TrippyLondoner
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Not been a good day really, but atleast we have had a spell of wickets. Need another, now, though.
