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The Ashes 2009

mattie said:
Out of interest, do the crims have a bowler other than Clark who can swing it? Clark - if memory serves - is a tight, controlled seamer. My limited understanding suggests a spinning wicket also seams. Fair or no?
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To answer my own question, Hilfenhaus!
 
mattie said:
Out of interest, do the crims have a bowler other than Clark who can swing it? Clark - if memory serves - is a tight, controlled seamer. My limited understanding suggests a spinning wicket also seams. Fair or no?
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Very good question. Movement off the seam and spin both require a hard wicket. Let's hope it has a bit of pace in it. Hard, fast wickets make for the best cricket imo, giving every variety of bowler and the batsmen a chance.

Clark wobbles it just a little from a high arm action, like McGrath used to. The best swing bowler on either side is, of course, Anderson, who is one of the very few bowlers who are able to move it both ways. Hilfenhaus is Australia's best swinger.

Oh dear, Strauss should have been out first ball by the looks of it!
 
I love it when my team gets a blatently erroneous decision in their favour. It's the best part of sport.
 
Clark is more seam up isn't he, a McGrath lite, rather than swing. When on song, he was what Broad should aspire to be, similar height etc.?
 
paulhackett66 said:
Clark is more seam up isn't he, a McGrath lite, rather than swing. When on song, he was what Broad should aspire to be, similar height etc.?
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Sorry, my post was ambiguous - I was wondering whether, in bringing in another quick, they should have looked for someone who can take advantage of conditions. Clark has always struck me as a good bowler, but not someone who swings it. I'm not sure who's behind him in the pecking order with that ability, however.
 
paulhackett66 said:
Clark is more seam up isn't he, a McGrath lite, rather than swing. When on song, he was what Broad should aspire to be, similar height etc.?
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I've mentioned this before. To be a seam-up wicket-to-wicket bowler of just above medium pace requires a huge amount of control. You have to be able to put the ball in the same place ball after ball to build up pressure as there is only a tiny margin of error. Broad does not currently possess sufficient control to bowl like this.
 
Santino said:
Do you remember that last wicket at Edgbaston in 2005 lol?
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It gives me strange feelings inside that I don't understand.

There is seriously nothing more satisfying in sport that being totally hammered, grimly holding on and then getting an incredibly jammy last-minute winner via a terrible refereeing decision. (And its cricket equivalent, of course.)
 
mattie said:
Sorry, my post was ambiguous - I was wondering whether, in bringing in another quick, they should have looked for someone who can take advantage of conditions. Clark has always struck me as a good bowler, but not someone who swings it. I'm not sure who's behind him in the pecking order with that ability, however.
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I think one can become over concerned with conditions. The best bowlers take wickets whatever the conditions. Warne didn't need a 'spinner's wicket' to prosper. McGrath took wickets in all conditions too. I'd have played Clark from the first test.
 
mattie said:
Sorry, my post was ambiguous - I was wondering whether, in bringing in another quick, they should have looked for someone who can take advantage of conditions. Clark has always struck me as a good bowler, but not someone who swings it. I'm not sure who's behind him in the pecking order with that ability, however.
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littlebabyjesus said:
I've mentioned this before. To be a seam-up wicket-to-wicket bowler of just above medium pace requires a huge amount of control. You have to be able to put the ball in the same place ball after ball to build up pressure as there is only a tiny margin of error. Broad does not currently possess sufficient control to bowl like this.
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I think I'm typing as you're posting, and posting when you've posted and it's all getting terribly confusing :D

I'd have knocked Siddle on the head rather than Hauritz though.. if Clark is at 78 mph that's Collingwood speed..
 
littlebabyjesus said:
I think one can become over concerned with conditions. The best bowlers take wickets whatever the conditions. Warne didn't need a 'spinner's wicket' to prosper. McGrath took wickets in all conditions too. I'd have played Clark from the first test.
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I agree with the overall point, but if he's not considered suitable for earlier tests, why now? It's not like Hauritz wasn't getting wickets.
 
paulhackett66 said:
I think I'm typing as you're posting, and posting when you've posted and it's all getting terribly confusing :D

I'd have knocked Siddle on the head rather than Hauritz though
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:D Internet discussions.:)

I'd have knocked Siddle on the head and dropped a batsman for Lee. Aus need to win, and to do that, they need 20 wickets.

To go back to Broad, I don't think he knows what kind of bowler he want to be. I suspect he's been trying to emulate Flintoff, but it isn't working.

Strauss gone. :(
 
Bopara has the talent. If he can get going and find some confidence, he could do well.

Mind you, ditto Bell.

Hmmm. If you're relying on Cook to be the calm head, there's serious trouble...
 
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