Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
no, i asked you to illustrate your claim with reference to three or four cities, ie produce some of your actual evidence not simply name them
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never challenge a bullshitter, it only encourages them.
LOL. Two contrary twats with nothing to contribute to anything, making demands of someone else that they don't make of themselves or anyone else.
I could attach ten or twenty sources to the post. The immediate complaint would - inevitably, of course - be that the sources themselves weren't acceptable. There is no point - you aren't my editors, I'm not being paid, this to and fro isn't fun for me, and you wouldn't accept it anyway because it's not what's said that you object to, it's the person saying it.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
oh i've made the same request for evidence more times than i care to think about. eg A thank you to Brexiteers., Liz Truss’s time is up, A thank you to Brexiteers., World War II, UK music industry, bands, work permits and Brexit etc etc etc
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh now you've said that post it up and let's see what you've got
I don't care what you've asked or where. I've never been in several of those threads, and your posting history is of no interest to me.
No sir. I've said why. Find someone to play your dull games with.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
a minute ago you were on about i was making demands i don't make of anyone else:
and i've given you several examples which undermine your claim.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
you've said that's why, but i think it's because a glance at the map of fez rather undermines your claim that to get to fes el'djib you have to go through the mellah
Mellah of Fez - Wikipedia
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Starry Wisdom
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teuchter
je suis teuchter
Don't know about anyone else but I'm going to assume that Pickman's model is wrong and has lost this argument, unless he submits a profuse amount of evidence to counter this.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it doesn't contradict me in one detail.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
the royal palace is located in fes el-djid. and this map makes it clear that the entrance to the palace did not necessitate a journey through the mellah
Royal Palace of Fez - Wikipedia
bimble
floofy
Not a complete waste of time because I have learned some stuff, and briefly stopped freaking out about whether half the people in my Tesco’s are nascent fascists. Which so far is that nobody knows & nobody agrees on why the Jews were forcibly moved next to the palaces hundreds of years ago in Morocco, it’s all competing theories, and tbh some of them seem much less convincing than Tanya’s.
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Starry Wisdom
but not urbana titsClassic urban these last few pages
Hence the deleted post, and the opening part of the article you vomited up, among the other things. Yeah, really, like I said - you are a contrarian with time to waste, for whom nothing is ever enough, and with whom there is no point in engaging for those reasons.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
maybe if Tanya1982 had deigned to share her evidence we might have laid this little contretemps to rest this morning.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
the deleted post said 'no it doesn't'
and no, it doesn't contradict what i am saying at all. i said that a glance at the map of fez undermined your case, and so it does, because your assertion is that the rulers of muslim cities cynically placed jewish communities in locations through which rampaging mobs would have to go to get to the palace. and it really doesn't look like that's the case in fez. but hey if you've got the evidence show me i'm mistaken.
There may well be positive reasons why people are forced into ghettos by their rulers and locked in there - but whether they are actually positive or just 'positive' is a matter of personal morality.
I think we probably have to accept that many of our fellow supermarket shoppers are nascent fascists, and there's nothing we can do about that in the short term if we need to buy groceries.
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Starry Wisdom
yeh your claim was rather more than this, it was they were in effect there to tire the arms of rampaging mobs because they'd have to go through the jewish quarters to get to the palace. a claim you've so far disdained to support with any evidence whatsoever
It's 4.28 - PM.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
well spotted. but it makes me wonder if you understand post 380
Christ Almighty. The gates are quite literally marked. The most direct route to them is through the mellah, also marked. It's not an accident that the medrasah and mosque is on the other side of the palace, the side fronting the main part of town - they wouldn't be sacked first.the royal palace is located in fes el-djid. and this map makes it clear that the entrance to the palace did not necessitate a journey through the mellah
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where are the palace gates on that map?Royal Palace of Fez - Wikipedia
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Unless you think people generally popped out of the (guarded) town walls at will, on their way to the palace gates? 'We won't go through the mellah, because we don't want to disturb the Jews. What we'll do is make a picnic and take a scenic route through the countryside'.
ouirdeaux
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I have never given a great deal of thought to the positioning of the Jewish quarters of Moroccan cities, so I'm finding this fascinating. Particularly as I have given thought as to what constitutes evidence for any asserted fact about history.
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Starry Wisdom
yeh. did you read the bit in the wikipedia article where it says
between the inner and outer walls. did you think on that at all?
e2a: i'm not seeing any of this actual evidence you were on about before. come on, rip me to shreds.
Not just Moroccan. Ahh, the philosophy of history - we could be here until the end of time.
Not only did I read it, but I've been there in person and seen it. It's quite easy to get to - Ryanair goes to Fes, so you don't have to be rich to have a long weekend doing something non Wikiepedia related.
What the original inhabitants of the area may have been is neither here nor there really, although the fact that it was then a garrison speaks to its security and strategic importance for defensive purposes.
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