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The amount and pace of migration to the UK is unprecedented

I just read an ‘opinion piece’ in the daily mail, it is so extreme and so completely unhinged, just bellowing for people to hate and fear the invasion of fearsome criminals, and it’s two days since a terrorist attack on the people it demonises.
It is incitement. This is not a normal newspaper, it does not have equivalents everywhere else, and I think it’s a symptom of something very wrong here that it’s the most popular newspaper in the country.
 
On Monday, Ms Braverman agreed with suggestions by Conservative MP Lee Anderson that "Albanian criminals" were leaving a safe country to come to the UK.
He said if accommodation in the UK was not good enough for them, they could "get on a dinghy and go straight back to France".

They are enjoying it and making political capital from it. Basically: 'If you don't like it fuck off back to where you came from on your dinghies'. Childish. Criminals can become police officers though, did the leader of the opposition address that yet?
 

They are enjoying it and making political capital from it. Basically: 'If you don't like it fuck off back to where you came from on your dinghies'. Childish. Criminals can become police officers though, did the leader of the opposition address that yet?
The prime minister and home secretary don't seem to be
 
I just read an ‘opinion piece’ in the daily mail, it is so extreme and so completely unhinged, just bellowing for people to hate and fear the invasion of fearsome criminals, and it’s two days since a terrorist attack on the people it demonises.
It is incitement. This is not a normal newspaper, it does not have equivalents everywhere else, and I think it’s a symptom of something very wrong here that it’s the most popular newspaper in the country.
I will always recall the comments under the 2015 Syrian migrant articles. Thousands of up votes for contributions advocating mass murder. I've never been exposed to that kind of commentary before.
 
Albanian PM on Newsnight now, talking of his 'disgust' at British politics, a xenophobic madhouse that has departed from civilised conduct. Seems about right.
 
I learnt some stuff the other day about why all the Jews were expelled from here in the 1200s, it wasn’t just your normal run of the mill organic antisemitic sentiment there were pretty sound political pragmatic reasons that benefitted the king and the owners of castles. Which feels relevant but probably isn’t really.
Yes, of course. They'd borrowed enormous sums of money and didn't want to pay it back, so the Jews were deported. An anti Semite may ask, why were the Jews in a position to advance huge sums in the first place? The answer is that they were placed in that position to begin with, with a desired outcome in mind - use their pre existing cross border familial relationships to access (and move into preferred jurisdictions) a greater pool of resources, rinse them, scapegoat them, turf them out. Canon law banned Christians from moneylending.

When you go to Arab cities with large historical Jewish populations, the Jewish quarter is almost always right up against the royal or viziers palace. That's not an accident. That's where those quarters were built so that in the event of civil unrest, the crowd would first have to go through the Jewish quarter - those apparently privileged people living alongside the royals. The idea was that the energy of a hostile crowd would generally burn itself out with the fun of slaughtering and looting the local Jews, leaving the palace untouched. They were effectively used as a human moat within the context of urban design.

That's repeated all over the region, and beyond. Elements of it were replicated in Europe too. It worked.

It's very upsetting to see that the British government in 2022 is prepared to scapegoat particular groups of people to divert from its own failures. This is not new, or 'unprecedented'.
 
Yes, of course. They'd borrowed enormous sums of money and didn't want to pay it back, so the Jews were deported. An anti Semite may ask, why were the Jews in a position to advance huge sums in the first place? The answer is that they were placed in that position to begin with, with a desired outcome in mind - use their pre existing cross border familial relationships to access (and move into preferred jurisdictions) a greater pool of resources, rinse them, scapegoat them, turf them out. Canon law banned Christians from moneylending.

When you go to Arab cities with large historical Jewish populations, the Jewish quarter is almost always right up against the royal or viziers palace. That's not an accident. That's where those quarters were built so that in the event of civil unrest, the crowd would first have to go through the Jewish quarter - those apparently privileged people living alongside the royals. The idea was that the energy of a hostile crowd would generally burn itself out with the fun of slaughtering and looting the local Jews, leaving the palace untouched. They were effectively used as a human moat within the context of urban design.

That's repeated all over the region, and beyond. Elements of it were replicated in Europe too. It worked.

It's very upsetting to see that the British government in 2022 is prepared to scapegoat particular groups of people to divert from its own failures. This is not new, or 'unprecedented'.
Perhaps you could illustrate your claim that the only route to the Palace lay through the Jewish quarter with reference to three or four examples
 
The bit i was thinking of was how through a complicated system of selling on debt, the queen was accumulating a hell of a lot of people's castles, making them pay rent to the crown to live in what had been their own homes. So it got really stressful between the knights and the king so the jews had to go, in order to preserve the realm sort of thing.

But yeah bottom line, the king fucked the economy up really badly through a series of terrible decisions and got himself into a right pickle, which does sound familiar.

News went from 'they've screwed up the economy and made everyone's mortgages more expensive' to look at the immigrants in no time didn't it.
 
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When you go to Arab cities with large historical Jewish populations, the Jewish quarter is almost always right up against the royal or viziers palace. That's not an accident. That's where those quarters were built so that in the event of civil unrest, the crowd would first have to go through the Jewish quarter - those apparently privileged people living alongside the royals. The idea was that the energy of a hostile crowd would generally burn itself out with the fun of slaughtering and looting the local Jews, leaving the palace untouched. They were effectively used as a human moat within the context of urban design.

That's repeated all over the region, and beyond. Elements of it were replicated in Europe too. It worked.
Norman stillman for one doesn't agree with you The Jew in the Medieval Islamic City so I look forward to you saying something that's not a tissue of assertions
 
It took until post #7 for it to happen on this thread.
Yeah yeah, call it a shot across the bow. Tell you what, go back and carefully re-read the OP, then check how little that poster has subsequently contributed to this thread they started. Maybe they're a bit of a snowflake who can't deal with an argument they provoke, maybe they're a right-wing troll who aren't as clever as they think they are. Either way, anyone using the phrase 'great replacement theory' (quotes or no quotes) gets at best side-eye, at worst a big fuck off. And you're teuchter , so I don't even know why I'm bothering to defend my post ffs, I just don't like being held up as an example of what's wrong about online debating by someone who's far worse :thumbs:
 
It took until post #7 for it to happen on this thread.
I don't think anyone on this thread is posting with the intention to change the OP's mind. The OP clearly isn't posting in good faith. But at least one poster has said how they have found this discussion interesting and thought-provoking.

We don't just post replies for the benefit of one poster. Our replies are there for everyone.
 
Yeah yeah, call it a shot across the bow. Tell you what, go back and carefully re-read the OP, then check how little that poster has subsequently contributed to this thread they started. Maybe they're a bit of a snowflake who can't deal with an argument they provoke, maybe they're a right-wing troll who aren't as clever as they think they are. Either way, anyone using the phrase 'great replacement theory' (quotes or no quotes) gets at best side-eye, at worst a big fuck off. And you're teuchter , so I don't even know why I'm bothering to defend my post ffs, I just don't like being held up as an example of what's wrong about online debating by someone who's far worse :thumbs:
They also got replies in posts #5, #10, #11, and #13 that didn't explicitly call them a racist, just various forms of awful person.
 
Thats because they clearly are a cunt, even you know that. So fuck off with your morally superior bullshit. And then fuck off some more.
 
I don't think anyone on this thread is posting with the intention to change the OP's mind. The OP clearly isn't posting in good faith. But at least one poster has said how they have found this discussion interesting and thought-provoking.

We don't just post replies for the benefit of one poster. Our replies are there for everyone.
The fact that the replies are there for everyone is the point. It's why it doesn't really matter if the OP was trolling or not.
Someone reading the OP thinking "hmm, they seem to have a point with some of this" will read those replies.
 
11 pages so far tbf
Fair enough, 'clever' was the wrong word to use. Many threads on here have ended up long despite a completely stupid OP, including quite a few by our mutual acquaintance above.

Hey ho, on we go.

Another thought, anyone who thinks there's 'not enough room' for more immigrants should look at the amount of land set aside for golf courses, and hoarded by the ruling class for the purposes of killing wildlife. There's plenty of space, it's just owned by the wrong people.

They also got replies in posts #5, #10, #11, and #13 that didn't explicitly call them a racist, just various forms of awful person.
Still, nobody's called them a banned returner yet.
 
Many threads on here have ended up long despite a completely stupid OP, including quite a few by our mutual acquaintance above.
Do you mean teucher? You're mistaken if you think their posts are stupid. Infuriating sometimes, but by design - there's a lot of thought that goes into them, and a lot of value from (some) of the ensuing discussions IMO.
 
The appeal of properly dangerously fascistic shit like what I read in daily mail yesterday has got to be connected with how difficult it is to have a conversation about this stuff without accusations of being a terrible racist shithead, it’s got to push people further that way until you end up with Britain’s favourite paper very obviously resembling nazi propaganda.

Not saying OP wasn’t trolling, probably was, but it’s just true that refusing to take peoples fears about scarcity & change at all seriously will push them into the arms of people like braverman and whoever that was in the DM.
 
Do you mean teucher? You're mistaken if you think their posts are stupid. Infuriating sometimes, but by design - there's a lot of thought that goes into them, and a lot of value from (some) of the ensuing discussions IMO.
We can agree to differ then, because I don't see it. And that's all that needs saying really.
 
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