The 2024 UK General Election - news, speculation and updates

[MickiQ]

'Of the £21.5m in cash received by the (Labour) party in 2023, just £5.9m came from the trade union movement, compared with £14.5m from companies and individuals' Open Democarcy 2024.

Which makes you wonder exactly what 'Influence in the corridors of power' the trade unions who still contribute to the Labour Party get. In fact can anyone tell me what that buys?

Not a lot but it's still more than none

 

[The39thStep]

Not a lot but it's still more than none

What does the £14.5m buy ?

 

[Pickman's model]

What does the £14.5m buy ?

not a lot but you can rent several mps for that

 

[brogdale]

What does the £14.5m buy ?

I think we've just seen exactly what that buys, over the last 4 years.

 

[PR1Berske]

 

[brogdale]

Can't see anything

 

[Dogsauce]

This. Clapton is in Hackney North and Stoke Newington and I imagine has very different demographics to Clacton.

It’s not, it’s in the Yorkshire Dales.

 

[Pickman's model]

It’s not, it’s in the Yorkshire Dales.

is it? where?

 

[Dogsauce]

is it? where?

https://maps.app.goo.gl/KkuJbm8w8M2DbrJq8?g_st=ic

 

[PR1Berske]

Can't see anything

 

[Dog_Voodoo]

Yes. One is in Hackney and the other town in Essex. You’ve made yourself look a bit daft haven’t you. There’s still time to turn it around though.

Hardly.

 

[The39thStep]

I think we've just seen exactly what that buys, over the last 4 years.

This is what £2m of donations from the banking sector gets you from Labour

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/labour-city-banks-finance-2m-donations-bankers-bonuses-u-turn-rachel-reeves/

 

[kabbes]

Much if not most of the British public are conservative with a small C, they're not turning against the Tories because they fundamentally disagree with their policies, they're turning against them because they are incompetent poltroons.

I’d add a lot more colour to that crude black-and-white outline. Even crudely, you should note that the “British public”* are broadly economically conservative but socially liberal. The reason the Tories are so unpopular is not really incompetence — people have always seen politicians as incompetent — but because their hard-right social policy-making is actually extremely unpopular outside of the 10-15% of the country that are head-bangers. The old-school Tories I know (a lot of them) absolutely hate things like the Rwanda policy and the refusal to allow foreign workers to bring their families over. It deeply goes against their welfare capitalist “noblesse oblige” ethos.

*Itself, a contested and heterogeneous notion

 

[Pickman's model]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/KkuJbm8w8M2DbrJq8?g_st=ic

looks like clapham to me

 

[MickiQ]

not a lot but you can rent several mps for that

Labour ones maybe but if Jenrick is anything to go buy you could probably buy a lot more Tory ones for the same amount of money

 

[MickiQ]

So for all the frog talk, no real kermitment across the country to his brand of politics

Comparing Kermit and Farage isn't a very accurate or fair comparison. One is an intelligent and compassionate individual who has the potential to be a truly great statesman, the other is leader of Reform UK.

 

[bluescreen]

Comparing Kermit and Farage isn't a very accurate or fair comparison. One is an intelligent and compassionate individual who has the potential to be a truly great statesman, the other is leader of Reform UK.

When you try to mock someone or something but in the end just rib it.

 

[BusLanes]

This may be dated but I thought unions often provided both staff for campaigns and jobs for staffers.

So during an election unions will deploy people to assist in local or national campaigns.

Then out of election they'll give easy roles to party staff, so latter have incomes.

Or they'll be very sympathetic employers to elected staff who need time off. I think one of my Labour councillors works at a union and he seems to have a lot of freedom to do stuff during the working day.

 

[moochedit]

So for all the frog talk, no real kermitment across the country to his brand of politics

It would be a leap of faith trusting him i think

 

[moochedit]

So for all the frog talk, no real kermitment across the country to his brand of politics

Personally can't stand him. Hope he croakes it

 

[Silas Loom]

It would be a leap of faith trusting him i think

Certainly for anyone who toad his party line.

 

[moochedit]

Certainly for anyone who toad his party line.

As for his manifesto have you reddit?

 

[andysays]

How's he doing in the (tad)poles?

 

[Silas Loom]

How's he doing in the (tad)poles?

Public hopinion is negative.

 

[Kaka Tim]

he does nothing but spawn hatred. Should be reported to Hop not Hate.

 

[Karl Masks]

Reform aren't a party though, they are a business. For tax purposes, presumably

 

[cupid_stunt]

Reform aren't a party though, they are a business. For tax purposes, presumably

I don't understand why people are hung up on the fact they have a registered limited company, so does the Tories, but they are also registered as a political party with the Electoral Commission, which is what matters.

When they first set up there was no way to become a member, just register as a supporter, at some point that changed and they do invite people to join as members now.

So, yes, they are a political party.

 

[Voley]

Is that why they were able to change their leader so quickly? No membership vote or anything?

 

[belboid]

I don't understand why people are hung up on the fact they have a registered limited company, so does the Tories, but they are also registered as a political party with the Electoral Commission, which is what matters.

When they first set up there was no way to become a member, just register as a supporter, at some point that changed and they do invite people to join as members now.

So, yes, they are a political party.

No, it’s just a company. The tories (& the rest of them, even the WPB) are companies of some kind. They have to be to employ people. However the tories company is controlled by the relevantly elected representatives, they are not acting as individuals. They must follow the policies and decisions of the Conservative Party.

Reform is just a private company, owned by Farage. He gets to decide everything. It’s a political vehicle.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Is that why they were able to change their leader so quickly? No membership vote or anything?

Sunak became leader without a membership vote.