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Surely you mean Clacton rather than Clapton.
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Louis MacNeice
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Elpenor
Dancing as fast as I can
Ptfe Stringfellow is the nickname I’ve just invented for him
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Frog Lord has probably the largest personal following of any politician in the UK. Fortunately or unfortunately (depending on your point of view) they're not concentrated in a few places but scattered across England.
He might very well win Clapton (though I hope not)
However the rest of Refuk are just sock puppets, like UKIP before it, it's a one frog band. I can't see any others winning anything.
He might very well win Clapton (though I hope not)
However the rest of Refuk are just sock puppets, like UKIP before it, it's a one frog band. I can't see any others winning anything.
Elpenor
Dancing as fast as I can
So for all the frog talk, no real kermitment across the country to his brand of politics
This. Clapton is in Hackney North and Stoke Newington and I imagine has very different demographics to Clacton.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
And the beat goes on
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
And Enoch Powell before him.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Tbf, he does look more like he's held a pint before than most politicians posing with one.
Zapp Brannigan
Built like a steakhouse, handles like a bistro
I grew up in Sutton Coldfield. This mad lib dem geezer is basically doing a campaign pub crawl of my youth 
Dog_Voodoo
Well-Known Member
Is there any difference?
Dog_Voodoo
Well-Known Member
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Have you anything to actually say, DV? Yes, Farage voters exist. Clearly. Clacton exists. Even Clapton exists. Yes there is a place between Hackney and Stamford Hill, despite appearances otherwise.
Do you have a point?
Do you have a point?
Dog_Voodoo
Well-Known Member
I do. If you are referring to me? If so you may have missed it.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I was. Say it again. I'm a bit thick, I've probably missed it.
Yes. One is in Hackney and the other town in Essex. You’ve made yourself look a bit daft haven’t you. There’s still time to turn it around though.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
The whole set up of the old Labour electoral college was to use the unions to stop 'hard left' candidates. Now union funding for the LP is less important than private donors and the affiliated unions are shackled to the party - hence why some unions backed Cooper, Smith and Starmer despite their clearly being less union supportive than their opponents.
Also didn't you vote for Starmer?
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cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Err, no, I am not a member.
I'll be voting Labour in the GE, because they have the chance of winning here, in what has always been considered a safe Tory seat.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
The joys of auto correct on an Android tablet
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Sorry I thought from your arguments about the 'electability' of Starmer you might be an affiliated member
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Nope.
However, I've had several former Tory voters telling me they are voting for Labour, because Starmer doesn't scare them, unlike Corbyn, and when pushed on who they would be voting for if Corbyn was still leader, almost all have said Tory, with a few don't knows.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Unions use their political funds in exactly the same way that corporations use theirs which is to buy influence in the corridors of power.
That means the Labour Party not niche candidates who will lose their deposits. There is a desperate need for a centre left party and a wonky reformist party in the UK, there is even a place if not a need for a far left party. But under FPTP those spots will remain empty.
Which brings us to the special case of billionaires, the undesirablity of private individuals having sufficient wealth to directly affect policy in their favour is obvious. Private individuals can donate for all sorts of reasons but not many rich people are likely to donate to parties whose policies include making said rich people less rich.
That means the Labour Party not niche candidates who will lose their deposits. There is a desperate need for a centre left party and a wonky reformist party in the UK, there is even a place if not a need for a far left party. But under FPTP those spots will remain empty.
Which brings us to the special case of billionaires, the undesirablity of private individuals having sufficient wealth to directly affect policy in their favour is obvious. Private individuals can donate for all sorts of reasons but not many rich people are likely to donate to parties whose policies include making said rich people less rich.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Much if not most of the British public are conservative with a small C, they're not turning against the Tories because they fundamentally disagree with their policies, they're turning against them because they are incompetent poltroons.Nope.
However, I've had several former Tory voters telling me they are voting for Labour, because Starmer doesn't scare them, unlike Corbyn, and when pushed on who they would be voting for if Corbyn was still leader, almost all have said Tory, with a few don't knows.
sparkybird
ask the bird...
Just look at those micro bladed eyebrows
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
'Of the £21.5m in cash received by the (Labour) party in 2023, just £5.9m came from the trade union movement, compared with £14.5m from companies and individuals' Open Democarcy 2024.
Which makes you wonder exactly what 'Influence in the corridors of power' the trade unions who still contribute to the Labour Party get. In fact can anyone tell me what that buys?
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