Threshers_Flail
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One of the things I love about Spain is how easy it is to spot the pijos. No faux working class accents here.
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According to La Voz de Galicia, the 17-year-old hooligan who thumped Rajoy is Rajoy's wife's cousin's son. A small world up there in the rainy north-west?
Prudently, Rajoy has said that he draws no political conclusions from the attack. Right-wing newspapers, however, aren't hesitating. El Mundo, ABC and La Razón are all trying to blame the culture of the 'extreme left', the 'anti-system' people, 'the old Marxism'. ABC is even trying to put part of the blame on PSOE because in Monday night's debate Sánchez forcefully (and quite rightly, IMO) gave Rajoy a hard time over corruption.
There is a grain of truth in associating football hooliganism with violent political extremism, but this is as true of the far right as the far left. Late last year in Madrid there was a pitched battle between communist Gallego-nationalist hooligans who follow Deportivo de La Coruña and Fascist hooligans who support Atlético de Madrid. A 43-year-old Gallego known as Jimmy was killed.
Prudently, Rajoy has said that he draws no political conclusions from the attack. Right-wing newspapers, however, aren't hesitating. El Mundo, ABC and La Razón are all trying to blame the culture of the 'extreme left', the 'anti-system' people, 'the old Marxism'. ABC is even trying to put part of the blame on PSOE because in Monday night's debate Sánchez forcefully (and quite rightly, IMO) gave Rajoy a hard time over corruption.
There is a grain of truth in associating football hooliganism with violent political extremism, but this is as true of the far right as the far left. Late last year in Madrid there was a pitched battle between communist Gallego-nationalist hooligans who follow Deportivo de La Coruña and Fascist hooligans who support Atlético de Madrid. A 43-year-old Gallego known as Jimmy was killed.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
If you say "O sea" more than twice in 60 seconds you're automatically middle class.
Are they similar to the Free Democrats in Germany?
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
Yeah. Polo shirt (in the most literal sense). Chinos. Fantastic bouffant of wavy hair. Boating shoes. Never cooked your own dinner. Madridista. Fondness for Union Jack paraphernalia. That sort.
OH.
And CUNT.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
I don't know anything about them.
The campaign slogans all look suspiciously Nationalistic from my own POV.
I will never vote here anyway. All parties have big flaws in their manifestos as far as I am concerned. PSOE want to abolish religious education from schools. Unless you replace that with some sort of Humanities, or Cultural studies you are asking for trouble. Podemos are looking like the -teenage angst- party, really losing the plot. They are gone really. Ciudadonos are scary frankly. Loads of gay rights banner waving etc etc etc, so long as you have the cash to enjoy those rights. On the rise because the PP know come the crunch they are all their votes.
No big change comming sadly.
I will never vote here anyway. All parties have big flaws in their manifestos as far as I am concerned. PSOE want to abolish religious education from schools. Unless you replace that with some sort of Humanities, or Cultural studies you are asking for trouble. Podemos are looking like the -teenage angst- party, really losing the plot. They are gone really. Ciudadonos are scary frankly. Loads of gay rights banner waving etc etc etc, so long as you have the cash to enjoy those rights. On the rise because the PP know come the crunch they are all their votes.
No big change comming sadly.
"Where are our media jobs. We were promised media jobs if mum and dad paid for our uni".
Podemos are being discredited Left, Right and Centre. They have lost already. The only opinion poll voters they attract will most likely not even make it to the poll come vote day.
I do not like their slogan either.
J Ed
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Fuck off idiot
Extremely poor turnout here in Malaga last week. About 20 posters for every single person attending. People are no longer buying the shiney smile, and celebrity status. "Un Pais Contigo" is shit also.
He has lost all credibility.
I am no idiot either.
All the time I spend on the streets of Spain talking with people, I get to know what the majority are thinking. Voting day moved closer to Christmas was a bit fucking shit. Most people here are dreading the expense of Christmas.
Ciudadonos have sort of thrown themselves right of centre from left of centre without explanation. There is no credible alternative to the PP, PSOE. Same old, same old.
All the time I spend on the streets of Spain talking with people, I get to know what the majority are thinking. Voting day moved closer to Christmas was a bit fucking shit. Most people here are dreading the expense of Christmas.
Ciudadonos have sort of thrown themselves right of centre from left of centre without explanation. There is no credible alternative to the PP, PSOE. Same old, same old.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
Stanley. There are reasons to be mad at Podemos: becoming more of a traditional-style party with a hierarchy, or the infuriating hypocrisy of Monedero, but you don't really seem to have a point.
You're always claiming to be in touch with the people or to know the real Spain, but time and time again you seem to be clueless about the places you visit or the society around you. Are you really in Doncaster making all this up?
You're always claiming to be in touch with the people or to know the real Spain, but time and time again you seem to be clueless about the places you visit or the society around you. Are you really in Doncaster making all this up?
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
Drivel from Owen Jones. Nice that he likes Podemos but this is hardly a decent snapshop of the political scene in Spain at the moment.
He waffles on until admitting that we're likely to see a right-wing coalition at the end of the campaign. I suppose the sub-eds should take the blame for the headline but it's makes for an incoherent article. How is 5 more years of PP going to send ripples across Europe, when it's simply maintaining the status quo?
Spain’s election will be felt across the whole continent | Owen Jones
He waffles on until admitting that we're likely to see a right-wing coalition at the end of the campaign. I suppose the sub-eds should take the blame for the headline but it's makes for an incoherent article. How is 5 more years of PP going to send ripples across Europe, when it's simply maintaining the status quo?
Spain’s election will be felt across the whole continent | Owen Jones
J Ed
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According to this article Podemos has risen in the most recent polls (which are now illegal to publish so close to the election), with PSOE a possible third and Ciudadanos fourth, the article cites as evidence this clip of a conversation Rajoy had with Merkel in which he does indeed seem to say that. The article also mentions the fact that the PP are calling for a 'moderate' (which means the same thing in Spain as here, neoliberal) coalition between the PP and PSOE.
In other news Rivera of Ciudadanos has said that he won't vote against the formation of a government of whoever the biggest party is but won't vote for a 'coalition of losers' by which he means PSOE, Podemos, the nationalist parties and possibly Izquierda Unida. The article attributes Ciudadanos' bubble being burst to the fact that voters are beginning to regard the party as it is, a neoliberal party rather than another Podemos or whatever. The more they see the less they like, which is good.
In other news Rivera of Ciudadanos has said that he won't vote against the formation of a government of whoever the biggest party is but won't vote for a 'coalition of losers' by which he means PSOE, Podemos, the nationalist parties and possibly Izquierda Unida. The article attributes Ciudadanos' bubble being burst to the fact that voters are beginning to regard the party as it is, a neoliberal party rather than another Podemos or whatever. The more they see the less they like, which is good.
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J Ed
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I would have thought that a lefist hitting Rajoy would have had a few sympathy votes in it, has it had the opposite effect? I think there is insufficient data, if a kind socially responsible person gave Cameron a smack then we could have a look at the polls and whether it is a culturally specific phenomenon...
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
It seemed to play well and I still wouldn't rule out a bounce for him on the back of it. He came across as unrattled and unusually statesman-like when interviewed after it.
Podemos have gone up again but I don't know how much to read into it. Also, I don't know if PP are talking about it honestly or for some nefarious strategic reason.
Punching him in the face when he wasn't looking would win the Tories votes. But if you dressed as a chicken and ran up and kicked him in the balls it might be a winner.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
what time do we expect results to be conclusive? spains massive isn't it? tuesday?
Riklet
procrastinación
Podemos is gonna tank. Then again so may Ciudadanos. I think you need to be more realistic.
The 2 spains divide is still very much real and I think the left has lost the momentum of a year or two ago.
A lot of Spain is not the bigger cities and is pretty conservative. Also Rajoy is doing "well" hehhhh and theres a lot of older voters.. As well as lots of younger ones abroad or who wont vote.
The 2 spains divide is still very much real and I think the left has lost the momentum of a year or two ago.
A lot of Spain is not the bigger cities and is pretty conservative. Also Rajoy is doing "well" hehhhh and theres a lot of older voters.. As well as lots of younger ones abroad or who wont vote.
J Ed
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...or who have been prevented from voting. So many have been prevented that Spanish people who were otherwise going to abstain are offering to vote as proxies for whoever the emigrants want to vote for.
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Exit polls at 7:30pm GMT
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