North Shropshire by-election
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mx wcfc
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I get what you mean, but the tory vote will be down and it will scare tory MPs with smaller majorities.
I predict a full out "Old Ladies tea party" offensive, with loyally attendant Hampshire Chronicle photographers, from Steve Brine (known as "slimy" on the Winchester Rants FB page)
Hollis
bloody furious
The constituency seems odd - if you look back through the election history over the last 30 years there's no clear second place party.. I'd say if Johnson loses he's in the shite..
bellaozzydog
rolling turds in glitter
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
I think it's probably down to the fact that if a large number of Tory voters want to give them a kicking, they are more likely to vote LD rather than Labour, hence Momentum trying to get Labour supporters to tactically vote LD too.
I also think we're finally seeing the start to the end of Johnson, and whatever happens in this election will be another nail in his coffin, whether it's the last one is anyone's guess.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
By elections are getting difficult to predict these days and providing they still win he can blame any loss on Patterson leaving under a cloud.
Actually losing the seat will make his backbenchers get nervous, even so I think we're away off seeing the end of Johnson yet.
For the first time in a while I find myself rooting for the LibDems but I don't think they will do it, even if all Lab voters vote tactically and I can't imagine they would surely angry Tory voters are more likely to just stay home.
Actually losing the seat will make his backbenchers get nervous, even so I think we're away off seeing the end of Johnson yet.
For the first time in a while I find myself rooting for the LibDems but I don't think they will do it, even if all Lab voters vote tactically and I can't imagine they would surely angry Tory voters are more likely to just stay home.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
To topple Johnson, now it’s time for all good progressives to come to the aid of... the Lib Dems | Will Hutton
This week’s byelection in the Tory stronghold of North Shropshire can be a turning point
Great to see so many "socialists" lining up to support liberalism. The EU and Johnson really have broken some people.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Pragmatism not really your thing is itTo topple Johnson, now it’s time for all good progressives to come to the aid of... the Lib Dems | Will Hutton
This week’s byelection in the Tory stronghold of North Shropshire can be a turning pointwww.theguardian.com
Great to see so many "socialists" lining up to support liberalism. The EU and Johnson really have broken some people.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
I am absolutely prepared to be pragmatic, much of my politically activity involves being pragmatic around workplace organising. But pragmatism is not some magical get out free jail card that makes any and all actions consistent with whatever political philosophy you want to align yourself with today.
If, in the name of pragmatism, people want to organise on the basis of an Anti-Tory progressive alliance then ok - IMO that makes them mugs who learned nothing from either 1997 or 2010, but it is at least some sort of political alignment.
But then have enough spine/sense to recognise that organising on a cross-class basis around a politics of values is not consistent with organising on a class basis around the politics of interests - the former is liberal progressivism, the latter socialism.
That pragmatism can justify any set of actions is the line spun by people like Blunket and Straw that they were remaining consistent to socialist principles, it is the line taken by my colleague when he calls himself 'a bit of a socialist' despite scabbing - it was/is bollocks in those cases and it is bollocks here.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Just to follow up I am more than pragmatic enough to work with people from different political persuasions - state socialists, liberals, even conservatives. I've done so plenty of times.
But I've not gone around pretending that political differences don't exist, that while there may be an alignment of political interests we do not fundamentally all 'want the same thing'.
But I've not gone around pretending that political differences don't exist, that while there may be an alignment of political interests we do not fundamentally all 'want the same thing'.
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Serene
Slightly disgruntled
I dont know, I wasnt aware of this policy
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Richard Tice, the delusional fool, interviewed on BBC News, claiming it's a four-way marginal with Con, Lab, LD, and Reform UK all in the running. 
Plus their candidate has tested positive for covid, which is ironic considering Tice's views on covid.
Plus their candidate has tested positive for covid, which is ironic considering Tice's views on covid.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Yeah sure it is, Oh look a unicorn.Richard Tice, the delusional fool, interviewed on BBC News, claiming it's a four-way marginal with Con, Lab, LD, and Reform UK all in the running.
Plus their candidate has tested positive for covid, which is ironic considering Tice's views on covid.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
The refuckers channelling GBNews & their viewing figures!Richard Tice, the delusional fool, interviewed on BBC News, claiming it's a four-way marginal with Con, Lab, LD, and Reform UK all in the running.
Plus their candidate has tested positive for covid, which is ironic considering Tice's views on covid.
Leighsw2
strictly off the record
Trying to remember a bye-election (at least in the last 20 years) where Labour were well placed to beat the Conservative and the liberals and their press were arguing for a tactical Labour vote as the best way to beat the Tory. 'Tactical' voting only seems to go in one direction doesn't it?
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
TBF Lab have to campaign on a message of "We Can Win This!".
They can't really campaign of a message of "We don't have a prayer but an even bigger bunch of losers from last time might have more chance of picking up some Tory Voters who are so pissed off with Boris that they won't just stay home, so you should vote for them not us because there is a small chance they might briefly make Boris look bad for a day or two but will really have zero impact on anything longer than that"
They can't really campaign of a message of "We don't have a prayer but an even bigger bunch of losers from last time might have more chance of picking up some Tory Voters who are so pissed off with Boris that they won't just stay home, so you should vote for them not us because there is a small chance they might briefly make Boris look bad for a day or two but will really have zero impact on anything longer than that"
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
why not? they seem to be managing it just fine.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
if as i suspect labour come third i wonder what message bw will issue
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platinumsage
HaveMyPassword123
It’s usually LibDem voters voting Labour, because they tend to follow elections more closely. Labour voters are less likely to be amenable to campaigns to vote tactically for the LibDems.
The best example of this working was the defeat of Steven Norris in the 1987 general election in Oxford East.
Calamity1971
If Mr Peanut says It's okay, then it is.
This is like a conversation I had the other day with my local parish councillor.
Councillor. Will you vote labour at the next GE.
Me. No, starmer is a fucking arsehole.
Councillor. Oh, but what do you think of the Labour leader.
Me. He is the leader.
Leighsw2
strictly off the record
Absolute bollocks. I lived in and campaigned in Oxford East in 1987. It was a natural Labour seat (Blackbird Leys estate; Morris Cowley works) which returned 'shagger' Norris with a bare 1,200 vote majority in the meltdown of 1983 thanks to the intervention of the Liberals (10,690 votes). Labour's slight revival under Kinnock in 1987 was enough to turn it red, after which it became a pretty safe seat (7,538 majority in 1992; 16,665 in 1997; 10,344 in 2001). Ironically, the closest Labour have come to losing the seat is the (Iraq) GE of 2005 - to the Liberals (majority cut to 963). No hint of 'tactical' voting there!
(Oh, and can I remind you that Labour's biggest ever majority in Oxford East - 23,284 - came in 2017. Thank you Jeremy!)
Leighsw2
strictly off the record
I believe he was referred to as a 'test tube Ed Miliband' on Twitter. Very unfair, Ed's much more natural.
Dom Traynor
Tino Pai
He looks like a young Ben Bradshaw only more wooden, unsympathetic and right wing. Anyway I hope all three parties do badly in this by-election.
bellaozzydog
rolling turds in glitter
That’s some uncanny valley shit right there
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
Lib Dem's are nearly always the recipients of the tactical vote, because Labour voters want to keep the Tories out. Lib Dem voters are in the middle, so some want to keep Labour out, some theTories. You only have to see what happened to the Lib Dem vote after Nick Clegg's coalition. Labour voters kept away in droves, and have largely done so to this day.
Leighsw2
strictly off the record
And your reminder that the guy who stood for Labour in three General Elections in a hopeless Tory seat (and put Labour into a good second place after the party came third in 2010) wasn't even allowed on the shortlist (because he supports Corbyn).
