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No place for Israel in Middle East, says Iran’s Ahmadinejad
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dylans
overlord of all acorns
Organizations
- Abna’ al-Balad Society, Nablus
- Addameer Center for Human Rights, Gaza
- Addameer Prisoners’ Support and Human Rights Association, Ramallah
- Alanqa’ Cultural Association, Hebron
- Al-Awda Palestinian Folklore Society, Hebron
- Al-Doha Children’s Cultural Center, Bethlehem
- Al-Huda Islamic Center, Bethlehem
- Al-Jeel al-Jadid Society, Haifa
- Al-Karameh Cultural Society, Um al-Fahm
- Al-Maghazi Cultural Center, Gaza
- Al-Marsad Al-Arabi, occupied Syrian Golan Heights
- Al-Mezan Center for Human Rights, Gaza
- Al-Nahda Cultural Forum, Hebron
- Al-Taghrid Society for Culture and Arts, Gaza
- Alternative Tourism Group, Beit Sahour (ATG)
- Al-Wafa’ Charitable Society, Gaza
- Applied Research Institute Jerusalem (ARIJ)
- Arab Association for Human Rights, Nazareth (HRA)
- Arab Center for Agricultural Development (ACAD)
- Arab Center for Agricultural Development-Gaza
- Arab Educational Institute – Open Windows (affiliated with Pax Christie International)
- Arab Orthodox Charitable Society – Beit Sahour
- Arab Orthodox Charity – Beit Jala
- Arab Orthodox Club – Beit Jala
- Arab Orthodox Club – Beit Sahour
- Arab Students’ Collective, University of Toronto
- Arab Thought Forum, Jerusalem (AFT)
- Association for Cultural Exchange Hebron – France
- Association Najdeh, Lebanon
- Authority for Environmental Quality, Jenin
- Bader Society for Development and Reconstruction, Gaza
- Canadian Palestine Foundation of Quebec, Montreal
- Center for the Defense of Freedoms, Ramallah
- Center for Science and Culture, Gaza
- Chamber of Commerce and Industry, Ramallah- Al-Bireh District
- Child Development and Entertainment Center, Tulkarem
- Committee for Popular Participation, Tulkarem
- Defense for Children International-Palestine Section, Ramallah (DCI/PS)
- El-Funoun Palestinian Popular Dance Troupe
- Ensan Center for Democracy and Human Rights, Bethlehem
- Environmental Education Center, Bethlehem
- FARAH – Palestinian Center for Children, Syria
- Ghassan Kanafani Society for Development, Gaza
- Ghassan Kanafani Forum, Syria
- Gaza Community Mental Health Program, Gaza (GCMHP)
- Golan for Development, occupied Syrian Golan Heights
- Halhoul Cultural Forum, Hebron
- Himayeh Society for Human Rights, Um al-Fahm
- Holy Land Trust – Bethlehem
- Home of Saint Nicholas for Old Ages – Beit Jala
- Human Rights Protection Center, Lebanon
- In’ash al-Usrah Society, Ramallah
- International Center of Bethlehem (Dar An-Nadweh)
- Islah Charitable Society-Bethlehem
- Jafra Youth Center, Syria
- Jander Center, al-Azza (Beit Jibreen) refugee camp, Bethlehem
- Jerusalem Center for Women, Jerusalem (JCW)
- Jerusalem Legal Aid and Human Rights Center (JLAC )
- Khalil Al Sakakini Cultural Center, Ramallah
- Land Research Center, Jerusalem (LRC)
- Liberated Prisoners’ Society, Palestine
- Local Committee for Social Development, Nablus
- Local Committee for the Rehabilitation of the Disabled, Nablus
- MA’AN TV Network, Bethlehem
- Medical Aid for Palestine, Canada
- MIFTAH-Palestinian Initiative for the Promotion of Global Dialogue and Democracy, Ramallah
- Muwatin-The Palestinian Institute for the Study of Democracy
- National Forum of Martyr’s Families, Palestine
- Near East Council of Churches Committee for Refugee Work – Gaza Area
- Network of Christian Organizations – Bethlehem (NCOB)
- Palestinian Council for Justice and Peace, Jerusalem
- Palestinian Counseling Center, Jerusalem (PCC)
- Palestinian Democratic Youth Union, Lebanon
- Palestinian Farmers’ Society, Gaza
- Palestinian Hydrology Group for Water and Environment Resources Development-Gaza
- Palestinian Prisoners’ Society-West Bank
- Palestinian Society for Consumer Protection, Gaza
- Palestinian University Students’ Forum for Peace and Democracy, Hebron
- Palestinian Women’s Struggle Committees
- Palestinian Working Women Society for Development (PWWSD)
- Popular Art Centre, Al-Bireh
- Prisoner’s Friends Association – Ansar Al-Sajeen, Majd al-Krum
- Public Aid Association, Gaza
- Ramallah Center for Human Rights Studies
- Saint Afram Association – Bethlehem
- Saint Vincent De Paule – Beit Jala
- Senior Citizen Society – Beit Jala
- Social Development Center, Nablus
- Society for Self-Development, Hebron
- Society for Social Work, Tulkarem
- Society for Voluntary Work and Culture, Um al-Fahm
- Society of Friends of Prisoners and Detainees, Um al-Fahm
- Sumoud-Political Prisoners Solidarity Group, Toronto
- Tamer Institute for Community Education, Ramallah
- TCC – Teacher’s Creativity Center, Ramallah
- Wi’am Center, Bethlehem
- Women’s Affairs Technical Committee, Ramallah and Gaza (WATC)
- Women’s Studies Center, Jerusalem (WSC)
- Women’s Center for Legal Aid and Counseling, Jerusalem (WCLAC)
- Yafa for Education and Culture, Nablus
- Yazour Charitable Society, Nablus
- YMCA-East Jerusalem
- Youth Cooperation Forum, Hebron
- YWCA-Palestine
- Zakat Committee-al-Khader, Bethlehen
- Zakat Committee-Deheishe camp, Bethlehem
- The Palestinian Center for Rapprochement between People (PCR)
- Alternative Voice in the Galilee (AVIG)
How representative are these of the general population? I mean I could provide a list of similarly progressive sounding groups from the UK and they would only represent a tiny fraction of the population.
Also what is their collective position on the Israeli working class?
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Refugee Rights Associations/Organizations
- Al-Ard Committees for the Defense of the Right of Return, Syria
- Al-Awda Charitable Society, Beit Jala
- Al Awda – Palestine Right-to-Return Coalition, U.S.A
- Al-Awda Toronto
- Aidun Group – Lebanon
- Aidun Group – Syria
- Alrowwad Cultural and Theatre Training Center, Aida refugee camp
- Association for the Defense of the Rights of the Internally Displaced (ADRID), Nazareth
- BADIL Resource Center for Palestinian Residency and Refugee Rights, Bethlehem
- Committee for Definite Return, Syria
- Committee for the Defense of Palestinian Refugee Rights, Nablus
- Consortium of the Displaced Inhabitants of Destroyed Palestinian Villages and Towns
- Filastinuna – Commission for the Defense of the Right of Return, Syria
- Handala Center, ‘Azza (Beit Jibreen) refugee camp, Bethlehem
- High Committee for the Defense of the Right of Return, Jordan
- High National Committee for the Defense of the Right of Return , Ramallah
- International Right of Return Congress (RORC)
- Jermana Youth Forum for the Defense of the Right of Return, Syria
- Laji Center, Aida camp, Bethlehem
- Local Committee for Rehabilitation, Qalandia refugee camp, Jerusalem
- Local Committee for Rehabilitation of the Disabled, Deheishe refugee camp, Bethlehem
- Palestinian National Committee for the Defense of the Right of Return, Syria
- Palestinian Return Association, Syria
- Palestinian Return Forum, Syria
- Palestine Right-of-Return Coalition (Palestine, Arab host countries, Europe, North America)
- Palestine Right-of-Return Confederation-Europe (Austria, Denmark, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Sweden)
- Palestinian Youth Forum for the Right of Return, Syria
- PLO Popular Committees – West Bank refugee camps
- PLO Popular Committees – Gaza Strip refugee camps
- Popular Committee – al-’Azza (Beit Jibreen) refugee camp, Bethlehem
- Popular Committee – Deheishe refugee camp, Bethlehem
- Shaml – Palestinian Diaspora and Refugee Center, Ramallah
- Union of Women’s Activity Centers – West Bank Refugee Camps
- Union of Youth Activity Centers – Palestine Refugee Camps, West Bank and Gaza
- Women’s Activity Center – Deheishe refugee camp, Bethlehem
- Yafa Cultural Center, Balata refugee camp, Nablus
dylans
overlord of all acorns
When you have got something of substance to post give me a shout.
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
Dylans you are a walking silly billy. Have a good evening mate.
Well I see the paragons of democracy and liberalism that are Jordanian MPs support BDS, isn't that wonderful?
dylans
overlord of all acorns
I have an idea. Why don't you provide a list of Palestinian civil society organisations that DON'T call for BDS
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
How do you separate these two? There are certain political actions that cannot be tolerated by the US, as they undermine US power. The Iranian revolution is one such action, as is the Cuban revolution. These are examples that must not be followed elsewhere. The US already gives such countries official 'enemy' status before a bullet is fired.
Why?
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Because you seem keen to deny that the HUGE list I provided (at your request) wasn't representative of Palestinian civil society. If your claim is correct and these organisations are one man and a dog operations that don't genuinely represent Palestinians then it should be easy to provide a few examples of Palestinian organisations that don't support BDS.
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
another theocratic world is possible!
When did I claim that?!
also only a terminal manichean would believe that because there are X number of orgs calling for one thing there must be X number calling for the opposite - how very formulaic.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
dylans
overlord of all acorns
That's a question not an assertion.
I assume you cant say how representative they are then?
All you've done is provide a list of organisations that support BDS what is to prove wrong?
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Only you and those who oppose BDS attempt to claim that the call for BDS is anything but a genuine call for international solidarity from Palestinian civil society. The claim is basically an attempt to undermine solidarity because the whole basis of BDS is that it is a response to a call for solidarity, obviously if there is no such call then there is no basis for BDS. As such, the ball is in your court, If you wish to claim that BDS is not a call from wide ranging and comprehensive representatives of those living under occupation, then show me a list of organisations that oppose the call.
You can't because you are full of shit. The truth is you don't care if there is a call for international solidarity or not. You have no respect for such a call regardless of how popular it is amongst Palestinians. You know best.
you don't understand logic.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
You requested such a list. You asked me "which Palestinians" call for BDS. I showed you which and now you are attempting to undermine that list.
Pathetic
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Got pretty mixed feelings on the BDS movement frankly. I've just had a 9/10 hour journey back from kettering so I'll post about this tomorrow morning in more detail when I'm not as fucked.
the israeli working class is just as shat on as the working class of any country. unfortunately with the zionist state many people including those on the left who should know better, imagine the israeli and perhaps even the jewish w/c as aa whole as a kind of extension of the zionist state let alone take their views into account.
i don't believe that we are going to win anyone over to the palestinian cause by advocating what would essentially be an enormous drop in working class people's living standards which would have an impact on whether jewish people over here were able to practice their religion properly (many kosher products, mezuzahs for gates and so on are only made in Israel) Got absolutely no time for zionism, but at the same time i don't have any respect for the sort of liberal finger wagging which essentially amounts to telling the israeli people that they have to accept a drop in their living standards and be collectively punished for their government's treatment of the palestinians
the israeli working class is just as shat on as the working class of any country. unfortunately with the zionist state many people including those on the left who should know better, imagine the israeli and perhaps even the jewish w/c as aa whole as a kind of extension of the zionist state let alone take their views into account.
i don't believe that we are going to win anyone over to the palestinian cause by advocating what would essentially be an enormous drop in working class people's living standards which would have an impact on whether jewish people over here were able to practice their religion properly (many kosher products, mezuzahs for gates and so on are only made in Israel) Got absolutely no time for zionism, but at the same time i don't have any respect for the sort of liberal finger wagging which essentially amounts to telling the israeli people that they have to accept a drop in their living standards and be collectively punished for their government's treatment of the palestinians
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Ok if they are not representative then it should be easy for you to show me a list of organisations that disagree with them
I'm waiting
rubbish - learn how to formulate a proper argument and understand how to answer questions with substantive points rather than c+p odessy's and empty rhetoric that misses the point completely.
I've told you I was asking a question not making an assertion and that even if I was arguing what you claim I was arguing the lack of X does not reinforce the truth of Y
Off to do something more productive now 'pus pus'
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The working class in Israel isn't in the same position as the working class in Palestine.
I agree that it is wrong to extend anti-Zionism into anti-Israeli at an individual level, but there were working class white people in South Africa too. They weren't being shat on in the same way as black people in apartheid South Africa who were, by legal definition, of a lower class than all whites. The same situation is now the case in Israel and its occupied territories - the poorest Israeli has a far greater status than any Palestinian there.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Change Israeli working class to South African working class and we have EXACTLY the argument against sanctions that we campaigned for against Apartheid. Now,even the most vociferous supporter of Apartheid agrees that they were instrumental in bringing down Apartheid.
Look, the whole point here is that we are not the people living under occupation. We are not the ones being dragged off to detention in the middle of the night. The call for BDS is not for us to pick and choose. It is a response to a call for solidarity from people living under occupation. It is our duty to respect their struggle and the way that they choose to fight it, especially when they are calling for non violent solidarity.
BDS is their strategy and their campaign and their call for solidarity. The Israeli working class matter but right now they are tied to a reactionary ideology that supports the occupation. I wish it were otherwise but while they support the occupation and settlement of Palestinian land then their concerns, interests and needs have to come second to that of those who are being oppressed with their tacit consent. If BDS means they are inconvenienced and can't see the occasional rock gig then tough shit frankly.
purenarcotic
Conveniently Pocket Sized
How do you know they support it? Make sweeping generalisations about the Israeli people why don't you. 
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Because, there is no Israeli movement against the occupation. Not of any siginificance. Deny this all you want but the left doesn't exist in Israel. I wish it were otherwise but simply pretending this is not true doesn't alter reality. In the recent demonstrations for social justice the question of the occupation was deliberately and consciously excluded and the few individuals who did try to raise it were told to shut up and fuck off.How do you know they support it? Make sweeping generalisations about the Israeli people why don't you.
The situation of the Israeli working class is not the same as that facing the Palestinian population. Israelis are not living under military occupation and it is insulting and condescending to expect that those living behind walls and barbed wire and facing tanks and guns should temper their demands for freedom in the hopes that Israelis will someday, maybe, perhaps, come round to supporting them, if its not too much trouble.
purenarcotic
Conveniently Pocket Sized
Just because it may not be of great significance, it does not mean what little there is should be ignored, or not appropriately supported.
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