New age cosmic hippies and the far right

[Johnny Canuck3]

In fact the insistence has been that major aspects of the hippy philosophy are individualistic and ripe for co-option by the capitalist system (as we have seen). Other roots it shares with fascism and other elitist movements.

Is it that hippie values were ripe for co option, or is it that the rewards of the capitalist system are highly seductive?

They seem to be enticing even these people:

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

And as I said yesterday, hippies always spawn really obnoxious kids.

e.g.: Anwar al Awlaki.

Of course, if you want really annoying kids, you have to see the fundamentalist homeschoolers kids.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Yes, as i said. An overcoming of the private nature of production and acquisition by putting them on a social footing. And values aren't free floating things that just drive society in certain directions - the communist criticism of capitalism is not a criticism of peoples values as such but of how society is materially organised and so what sort of values this organisation and the social relations it requires produces and reproduces. Criticising values alone gets you nowhere - if this is your understanding of what communism is then we're not going to get much further.

It is a philosophy or a value or whatever you like to call it, to see the promotion of the common good as the highest achievement; compared with a capitalist philosophy which promotes the right and the opportunity of the individual to maximize his position in the world, at the expense of his neighbors if that's what's required.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

dp

 

[LLETSA]

Is it that hippie values were ripe for co option, or is it that the rewards of the capitalist system are highly seductive?

They seem to be enticing even these people:

It's that hippy values were ripe for co-option because they're highly saleable in neutered form. It happens to all youth rebellion. Ultimately, it happens to all competing values. This will likely continue until capitalism eats itself (which may have begun.) Then most of us will die.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

It's that hippy values were ripe for co-option because they're highly saleable in neutered form..

I'm not sure what that means. And it doesn't seem to address the proposition that capitalist ideals seem to slowly be co opting pretty much everyone on the planet.

 

[butchersapron]

It is a philosophy or a value or whatever you like to call it, to see the promotion of the common good as the highest achievement; compared with a capitalist philosophy which promotes the right and the opportunity of the individual to maximize his position in the world, at the expense of his neighbors if that's what's required.

And this is a response to my post how?

 

[LLETSA]

e.g.: Anwar al Awlaki.

Of course, if you want really annoying kids, you have to see the fundamentalist homeschoolers kids.

I really hate those kids who think they have the right to talk to grown-ups like they're equals. Even though they're about twelve.

Hippy types have these in abundance. Either that, or those disturbingly blank kids who you think might come and burn your house down when you're asleep in bed.

 

[LLETSA]

I'm not sure what that means. And it doesn't seem to address the proposition that capitalist ideals seem to slowly be co opting pretty much everyone on the planet.

Everything can be turned into a Benneton advert.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Everything can be turned into a Benneton advert.

You should go to Cuba. It'll break your heart to think that the day is coming when the US is allowed back in, and on that day, what they have there will begin to die.

 

[stethoscope]

I keep thinking of a clip from the Glastonbury film (the Temple one I think), with a hippy in the 70s unhappy because they are being searched more aggressively by the cops for drugs, his response is something on the lines of how it was 'fair enough for them to be searching blacks but now they're searching us whites too and we don't like it'.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

And this is a response to my post how?

Dude, I don't have the time today.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Many weren't averse to returning to that culture whenever they needed a bit more money to fund their 'alternative lifestyle.'

A lot of kids do that, even now.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I really hate those kids who think they have the right to talk to grown-ups like they're equals. Even though they're about twelve.

Hippy types have these in abundance. Either that, or those disturbingly blank kids who you think might come and burn your house down when you're asleep in bed.

I was a hippie. I'm sure that at the age of twelve, my kids would have addressed you with all the respect appropriate for your age.

 

[Idaho]

In fact the insistence has been that major aspects of the hippy philosophy are individualistic and ripe for co-option by the capitalist system (as we have seen). Other roots it shares with fascism and other elitist movements.

You could argue anything is ripe for co-option for anything else. It's a non-argument. It has no proof. It's sophistry.

I could just as well argue that major aspects of leftist political development are ripe for infiltration by psychotic personalities. It's a lively discussion point. There is no ultimate answer.

Urban 75 is an odd place. It's like having a really interesting pub discussion with lots of bad tempered people who all think they are right and don't particularly like each other.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Urban 75 is an odd place. It's like having a really interesting pub discussion with lots of bad tempered people who all think they are right and don't particularly like each other.

Innit. Years on this place, and I don't think I could have put it as well. Why is that? It's 2012 FFS. We are living in the uplifted consciousness of the 47th dimension

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Urban 75 is an odd place. It's like having a really interesting pub discussion with lots of bad tempered people who all think they are right and don't particularly like each other.

Or like living in France.

 

[Proper Tidy]

I fucking love bad tempered people who don't really like each other

 

[Idaho]

I fucking love bad tempered people who don't really like each other

<<<<lovingly hate fucks Proper Tidy>>>>

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

<<<<lovingly hate fucks Proper Tidy>>>>

I hate both of you for making me look at that.

 

[LLETSA]

You could argue anything is ripe for co-option for anything else. It's a non-argument. It has no proof. It's sophistry.

I have argued that consumer capitalism has the ability to co-opt most, if not all forms of rebellion. It then sells them back to us in neutered form.

 

[Idaho]

I hate both of you for making me look at that.

We were both looking you in the eye the whole time.

 

[LLETSA]

I fucking love bad tempered people who don't really like each other

What's unusual about it anyway? I don't particularly like anybody and nobody likes me.

 

[Proper Tidy]

What's unusual about it anyway? I don't particularly like anybody and nobody likes me.

I like you. You remind me of my dad.

 

[LLETSA]

I like you. You remind me of my dad.

I realised that pretty much everything gets on my wick when I was about 27.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Was it like an epiphany or just the final realisation of a gradual irritability?

 

[Idaho]

I was about 27 when I settled on the Dhansak as the mainstay of my Indian takeaway ordering.

 

[Proper Tidy]

I swapped from madras to ceylon around a year ago.

 

[LLETSA]

Was it like an epiphany or just the final realisation of a gradual irritability?

It was a gradual dawning.

 

[Proper Tidy]

It was a gradual dawning.

I reckon that's the way I'll finally go too