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Ministers target July 4th for reopening of England’s pubs and restaurants

I can't believe they're going ahead with this shit - the massive explosion in virus cases in American states that reopened bars too soon should have given the government a reasonable excuse to backtrack.

I'm still following all the hand-washing, social distancing etc. advice but from everything I've read about the routes of infection, touching infected surfaces and then touching your face is a rare way to get infected, the most common by far is to be in an enclosed space with an unmasked infected person, especially one who is talking. And if they're talking louder, singing, shouting etc., it makes them a lot more likely to infect others.

So what is the government that oversaw one of the world's most severe outbreaks doing? Opening pubs so that people can spend hours together in enclosed spaces talking to each other. On a Saturday, which is being billed as "Super Saturday." Big chains like Wetherspoon's might be enforcing time limits, table service, etc., but does anyone think pubs in towns big and small are going to have everybody sitting 2 feet apart and requesting escorts to the toilet by 11pm?

I know pub owners are struggling to survive but as I suggested upthread, the government should just pay to keep them afloat - letting the needs of business owners desperate for money dictate public health policy seems like a very bad idea indeed.
 
Yeah. In my old flat I'd have been preparing for huge amounts of noise and potential trouble. Too many people acting like they don't know there's anything other than pubs, like on NYE but worse.

The weather's looking bad though - that might mean people make trouble at home instead. Or maybe the pubs will actually be able to manage it. It'snot impossible...
The pubs are only a small part of this I reckon. If I were in a queue for Wetherspoons (I won't be) and it looked like I wasn't getting in, I'd get booze from Tesco and drink it somewhere else with my mates, probably with no social distancing in the street. If I were a young 'un, I mean. I just think it's been really hyped. I do think you might be right about the weather though.
 
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The pubs are only a small part of this I reckon. If I were in a queue for Wetherspoons (I won't be) and it looked like I wasn't getting in, I'd get booze from Tesco and drink it somewhere else with my mates, probably with no social distancing in the street. If I were a young 'un, I mean. I just think it's been really hyped. I do think you might be right about the weather though.

Yeah. It's what seems to be an endorsement to go and get pissed that is the real issue. The pubs will do their best.

Don't think it'll just be the young uns that'll be the problem, either.

Why didn't they start slowly on a Tuesday lunchtime? Why open everything up on a Saturday in July? It's not like that's traditionally a quiet time for pubs anyway.
 
Yeah. It's what seems to be an endorsement to go and get pissed that is the real issue. The pubs will do their best.

Don't think it'll just be the young uns that'll be the problem, either.

Why didn't they start slowly on a Tuesday lunchtime? Why open everything up on a Saturday in July? It's not like that's traditionally a quiet time for pubs anyway.
Because the government is composed of stupid wankers who think independence Day sounds good, failing to recall it marked the formal start of a seven year war which left Britain humiliated

Every day under this shitty government is humiliating as they're so fucking useless and stupid
 
Because the government is composed of stupid wankers who think independence Day sounds good, failing to recall it marked the formal start of a seven year war which left Britain humiliated

Every day under this shitty government is humiliating as they're so fucking useless and stupid
Johnson has about the same grasp on history as Trump has on politics.
 
Yeah. It's what seems to be an endorsement to go and get pissed that is the real issue. The pubs will do their best.

Don't think it'll just be the young uns that'll be the problem, either.

Why didn't they start slowly on a Tuesday lunchtime? Why open everything up on a Saturday in July? It's not like that's traditionally a quiet time for pubs anyway.
Absolutely this. It's the culture of the thing, rather than the thing itself.
 
I'm just going to come out and say it: I've been properly anxious about today. I live in the SW and my mate has a tiny AirBnB place in Cornwall and reckons he's been swamped with interest. There are already camper vans everywhere. I live next to a street full of pubs. We've already had a load of trouble from massive gatherings here. Out R rate is on the increase already.

I know it's silly but I don't feel at all happy about this.

Every holiday cottage in this village (and there are a lot) is booked up. Avoiding people is likely to be impossible from now on. The local supermarkets etc will be hell on earth.
 
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