Italian politics and elections - news and discussion

[brogdale]

Exit polls show that Bankers win...again.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ersani-poised-to-win-election-exit-polls.html

A poll for Italy's SkyTG 24 news television put the centre left on 34.5 per cent in the lower house and and 37 per cent in the Senate, ahead of Silvio Berlusconi's coalition with the Northern League on 29 per cent in the lower house and 31 percent in the Senate.

Mr Grillo's anti-establishment 5-Star Movement was on 19 per cent in the lower house and 16.5 per cent in the Senate, while outgoing prime minister Mario Monti's centrist coalition was on 9.5 per cent in the lower house and 9 per cent in the Senate.

The poll showed the centre-left and Mr Berlusconi's alliance neck and neck in the Senate race in the key region of Lombardy, with the centre-left ahead in the regions of Sicily and Campania and Mr Berlusconi's bloc well ahead in Veneto.

Polls closed at 3pm (2pm GMT) today, ending two days of voting in an election being closely watched by Italy's eurozone partners as well as international investors trying to decide if they consider the third-largest economy in the Eurozone a good bet.

Italian bonds and shares gained as the poll showed the populist campaigns of Mr Grillo and Mr Berlusconi fell short against the austerity advocates.

 

[contadino]

Huh? Bersani and Vendola are by no means austerity advocates.

I'm not saying the banks haven't won - the markets love a bit of volatility - just that if PD & SEL end up with a workable majority, it may be better for the average Giuseppe. It does mean we may be able to breath a sigh of relief: Berlusconi might call it a day and sod off to his datcha, and Grillo's Tea Party will hopefully peter out/ditch Grillo by the time we head for the polls this time next year.

 

[chilango]

...and since when have the PdL and Lega Nord been "centre-right"?

 

[butchersapron]

Huh? Bersani and Vendola are by no means austerity advocates.

I'm not saying the banks haven't won - the markets love a bit of volatility - just that if PD & SEL end up with a workable majority, it may be better for the average Giuseppe. It does mean we may be able to breath a sigh of relief: Berlusconi might call it a day and sod off to his datcha, and Grillo's Tea Party will hopefully peter out/ditch Grillo by the time we head for the polls this time next year.

What about when supporting austerity as part of Monti's parliamentary coalition, voting for austerity ? Were they austerity advocates then?

 

[butchersapron]

...and since when have the PdL and Lega Nord been "centre-right"?

Far -right?

 

[contadino]

What about when supporting austerity as part of Monti's parliamentary coalition, voting for austerity ? Were they austerity advocates then?

All parties except SEL & LN agreed to support the Monti's government. That's what happens when the country's economy teeters on meltdown and bankers come to replace democracy. You'll find their signatures right there alongside Berlusconi's....

 

[butchersapron]

Yep, which is support for austerity. What's your point? That it isn't? It must be right?

That otther people were pro-austerity too doesn't mean that one group who were weren't.

 

[contadino]

That they're not pro-austerity. In their interviews they've sounded like Hollande (before he was elected.)

You can't claim that Berlusconi is anti-austerity, and Bersani is pro. They signed the same documents, and have spouted the same line throughout their campaigns.

 

[contadino]

...and it's academic anyway. The exit polls contradict the OP

 

[butchersapron]

That they're not pro-austerity. In their interviews they've sounded like Hollande (before he was elected.)

You can't claim that Berlusconi is anti-austerity, and Bersani is pro. They signed the same documents, and have spouted the same line throughout their campaigns.

Who is claiming that though! If you're saying they both are then why would you say it's wrong to say that Bersani is?

 

[contadino]

Who is claiming that though! If you're saying they both are then why would you say it's wrong to say that Bersani is?

I can't say it any simpler. Sorry.

 

[chilango]

Far -right?

The BBC keeps calling them "centre-right" and Monti's lot as "centrists".

 

[butchersapron]

The Italian general election has turned into a neck-and-neck race between right and left after the earliest projections contradicted exit polls showing the centre-left heading for victory.

The first estimates based on the actual count showed Silvio Berlusconi's centre-right alliance ahead of Pier Luigi Bersani's centre-left by 31% to 29.5% in the upper house or Senate. The unexpected turnaround sent the interest rate on Italy's debt soaring as traders took fright at the prospect of a divided parliament with different majorities in the upper and lower houses.

Left and right meaning if they scare 'traders' or not.

 

[Fedayn]

There's some interesting figures on this map
Especially some of the drops in votes for the centre-right in areas they still top. The same for the centre-left too. Grillo's 5 star movement is certainly making massive in roads.

 

[articul8]

Was Mario Tronti a PD candidate?

 

[butchersapron]

Was Mario Tronti a PD candidate?

For god sake, what on earth would surprise you about that? Have you missed the last 40 years of italian politics or something?

 

[articul8]

hardly a remarkable journey at all?

 

[butchersapron]

You've not read him have you? You just recognise him as 'a name'. OMG Negri was elected for the Radical Party!

 

[articul8]

I've not read anything he's written in the last 30 years or more, no

 

[krtek a houby]

For god sake, what on earth would surprise you about that? Have you missed the last 40 years of italian politics or something?

A potentially interesting thread, invevitably spoilt by butcher's spoiling for a fight. Not everyone knows everything about Italian politics over the last 40 years. No wonder people are wary of politics when ruffians like you hector them at every opportunity.

 

[butchersapron]

You're 34 days early this year.

 

[treelover]

The Grillo's have received 23% of the vote, given they say they won'T join any coalition and Beppe won't take his seat, what impact can this grouping have, they seem a very independent bunch and may rock the parliamentary vote..

 

[krtek a houby]

You're 34 days early this year.

And you're 24-7. With ridiculous, smug, preening predictability.

 

[chilango]

hardly a remarkable journey at all?

Not really.

Look at the mayor of Milan.

 

[butchersapron]

Or the city of Bologna.

 

[TruXta]

This whole thread is bologna.

 

[gosub]

interesting paper on Grillo

 

[where to]

Has the Swp claimed Grillo a victory for the left yet?

 

[hipipol]

The only good news out of this that the Comedian has beaten the Clown

 

[articul8]

Has the Swp claimed Grillo a victory for the left yet?

Socialist party has