And now a French General election too (2024)

[littlebabyjesus]

Labour have won bigger than the left group in France. I don't think they'll be swapping first-pass-the-post for the French system, Labour just obtained 63% of the seats under the present system.

This time sure.

That wasn't a Labour specific point, though.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I don't know what this election achieved. This was the composition of the parliament before the election as far as I know from Wikipedia:
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As far as I can tell all Macron has achieved is to reduce his own parties number of seats down by quite a bit and increase the number of National Rally seats from 89 to about 142.

It was a miscalculation by macron.

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

The UK could have France's system of two rounds. Could easily be introduced with the existing system. If nobody wins 50% in the first round, you have a run-off. Two-way or three-way depending on how close the others are. If more than 50% of the people in any given constituency loathe the first-place candidate, they would be given the opportunity to show it.

We had a referendum on AV 11 years ago which would have meant you could do that, you don't need two rounds, you just need to go 1,2,3, etc., yet everybody voted against it.: o/

 

[countingtozero]

I dunno about that. If the result really is NPF biggest faction with centrist twats second, RN third, that's about as good a result as we could have hoped for when Macron called the election. Got to take the wins when they come, no? That the immediate future will be messy and difficult is a given, of course.

LFI will make up less than half of the MPs elected under the NFP banner. Melenchon was never going to be Prime Minister, IMO, he's constantly in conflicts with others on the left.

 

[tim]

The UK could have France's system of two rounds. Could easily be introduced with the existing system. If nobody wins 50% in the first round, you have a run-off. Two-way or three-way depending on how close the others are. If more than 50% of the people in any given constituency loathe the first-place candidate, they would be given the opportunity to show it.

We could , but we rejected the very similar Alternative Vote system in a referendum about a decade ago, so we won't.

 

[tim]

I like him. He's mouthy and confrontational, very unlike eg Corbyn, but he has good instincts.

Particularly when it comes to his comments on Jews. He has a long history of dodgy comments and insults, ironically, unlike Corbyn.

 

[The39thStep]

Labour have won bigger than the left group in France. I don't think they'll be swapping first-pass-the-post for the French system, Labour just obtained 63% of the seats under the present system.

Labour isn't a left group

 

[The39thStep]

Some posters on here are going to effing hate this :

 

[JimW]

Some posters on here are going to effing hate this :

So very much like our own dear Labour Party really.

 

[redsquirrel]

Worth noting that despite their 'failure' the RN vote in the second round increased by ~20%, and they took more votes than any other alliance.

Le Pen, who intends to run for president for the far right in 2027, said the far right’s rise to power would continue. She said: “The tide is rising. It did not rise high enough this time, but it continues to rise and our victory has simply been deferred.”

LFI are correct to not get in bed with Macron, but I'm not sure the PS or some other parts of the NPF have that sense

Much will depend on LFI’s willingness to compromise – and on the moderate left’s response if Mélenchon’s party refuses to play ball. The hard-left party has long said it would only ever enter government in order to “implement our policies, and no one else’s”.

 

[Hotel Chocolate]

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[Hotel Chocolate]

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[gentlegreen]

Bloody scary .
They clearly aren't going away any time soon.

 

[imposs1904]

Bloody scary .
They clearly aren't going away any time soon.

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More votes than Starmer's Labour Party.

 

[The39thStep]

Emily Maitlis setting the tone here in which the people against fascism are seen as trouble for those who enable it

 

[tim]

Emily Maitlis setting the tone here in which the people against fascism are seen as trouble for those who enable it

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To put it another way, Macron is the President and his project is fucked.

 

[The39thStep]

BBC with a gut wrenching tale of how the election ended up “Depriving millions of French people of the possibility of seeing their ideas brought to power”.

France's far right 'sad and disappointed' over election result

With the champagne on ice, they thought they were on the brink of victory - but it didn't happen.

www.bbc.com

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Emily Maitlis setting the tone here in which the people against fascism are seen as trouble for those who enable it

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As I wrote a few pages back it will be fatal for the left to either fold into the centrist project or to be seen to work with it.

The programme on which it was elected: massive increase in the minimum wage, reverse Macron’s attack on pensions, €150bn investment into rebuilding public services should be the programme pursued and organised around: in the parliament and on the streets.

Anything less and the FN will be the long term beneficiaries

 

[Jeff Robinson]

BBC with a gut wrenching tale of how the election ended up “Depriving millions of French people of the possibility of seeing their ideas brought to power”.

France's far right 'sad and disappointed' over election result

With the champagne on ice, they thought they were on the brink of victory - but it didn't happen.

www.bbc.com

Just awful, awful stuff. So sad.

 

[A380]

We could , but we rejected the very similar Alternative Vote system in a referendum about a decade ago, so we won't.

Probably because most people hated the yellow scum by that point and that was a a way of telling them so.

 

[A380]

Just awful, awful stuff. So sad.

That’s proper made my day!

 

[Riklet]

Some posters on here are going to effing hate this :

First person to stop clapping gets sent to le gulag.

Smashez les social fascists!!

 

[ska invita]

Some posters on here are going to effing hate this :

So to recap
International revolutionary Marxist tendency (Labour Deep Entryist cell) in power in Britain, Les Communistes et al in France and Socialist Workers Party in Spain. Interesting times

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I think Melechon number of MPs has gone down to be replaced by the Socialist Party.

Aka the sensible socialist party, ie the not-really-socialist party.

 

[Silas Loom]

Aka the sensible socialist party, ie the not-really-socialist party.

Same one as Hollande was in? He seemed sensible.

 

[ska invita]

Same one as Hollande was in? He seemed sensible.

Says someone who doesn't know what the word "vibes" means

 

[ska invita]

Crap deleted

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

It was a miscalculation by macron.

his theresa may moment

 

[Santino]

his theresa may moment

Being French he wouldn't run through a wheat field. He'd saunter through a vineyard.

 

[belboid]

The LFI (Melenchon) have 74 seats to the SPs 59

Half of Macrons lot would probably support the fascists over Big M.