US 2028 election?

[kebabking]

Falange tweeted a picture of himself with t'barron gushing over the creep with how much of a part he played in the Greater Creeps' victory...

 

[ID47]

Barron is the spit of Trump - his build, his vacant eyes, the way he walks leaning forward.

Don Jr and Eric are likely disappointments to Trump Sr - they're symbolic of his past lives with long discarded wives. Ivanka is a woman as well, possibly the one trait that could derail the whole republican project as at least a portion of their support base wouldn't stand for it.

"President Trump" is where he derives his sense of self-satisfaction, that put the official seal on his business "success"; Melania (as much as it looks like she despises him) is alongside him in the defining moments of his life, and Barron is a continuation of that.

He's 18, so obviously there's nothing to suggest public office yet. But there's already been the first whisperings of fluffy press to give him attention - things like how he told his dad what podcasts to go on, what interviews to do, how to reach a younger audience etc. Trump is a lifelong vanity project, what appeals to vanity more than a political dynasty to rival and overtake the Kennedys?

Bookmark it now, in 20 years I'll be back here as an old man to say I told you so.

He ain't all there, weird to the max: Barron Trump told strange story about 'golden spoon' during private dinner

 

[MickiQ]

If any of his spawn replace him I would have gone with Ivanka, Don Jr is a rabid loon and Eric gives the impression of not being totally there. Tiffany seems to have the good sense to have as little to do with the rest of her family as possible. Barron might be for the long term but in the shorter term my money is on Barbie Trump and her vaguely slimy husband.

 

[frogwoman]

I think it might end up being relatively free and fair (well as free and fair as US elections usually are- which is 'not very'.) I think the fact that 1) voter suppression isn't necessarily an attractive prospect given that so many people seem to have freely voted for Trump of their own free will.

2) having read 'the art of the deal' and knowing a fair bit about trump, i can categorically say trump is completely barking and he's bound to catastrophically mishandle a bunch of things during his rule. I certainly don't see him and Musk for instance getting on that well for his entire presidency. He was punished over the Covid pandemic and the world and US have probably become even more dangerous, combustible places since then. He's bound to utterly fuck something up and result in a bunch of people dying.

3) If there is no election its more likely to be because of a war (and i think the prospect of war, civil or otherwise, just went up exponentially) than Trump managing to rig anything imo.

4) He has got 18 months from taking office until the midterms and even though it does look like they're going to control both houses they don't control it by very much. He's not going to establish a dictatorship in 18 months lol

I'm still not very optimistic, the prospect of Trump is still unfathomably grim but I don't think he's going to cancel all elections

 

[SpookyFrank]

The 48th US president will be whoever wins the thunderdome-esque deathmatch for the right to control the last remaining stockpile of irradiated raccoon meat.

 

[bcuster]

Slightly more subtle complete stitch up with massive voter suppression, gerrymandering, undesirables inexplicably finding themselves removed from rolls, plus all the disinformation etc.

Trump will be dead, so it'll be a vote for President Vance's second term.

If Trump dies in office, Vance can serve the remainder plus two more

 

[Yossarian]

The 48th US president will be whoever wins the thunderdome-esque deathmatch for the right to control the last remaining stockpile of irradiated raccoon meat.

aka the New Hampshire primaries

 

[Wilf]

Trump too crazed and/or past it and/or unpopular for even the Maga/GOP loons to think it's worth subverting the constitution. So not Trump as candidate, but definitely king/queen maker. Increased voter suppression certainly and all kinds of shithousery with regard to election boards/methods/something something something. But the bare bones of an election to take place. As to the actual politics, sheesh, fuck knows.

Most unlikely to be a straight pendulum swing back to the Dems. You don't get a pendulum swing/buggins turn when there's been a shift to populism. Something needs to oppose it and the Harris/Dem hierarchy ain't it. Though of course sometimes you do get a pendulum swing back to an empty party without any substantive change. Keir. Fucking. Starmer. That's, literally, how 2 party systems work. So Just possible an unpopular Trump could deliver 2028 to a Democratic Party just as disconnected to working class voters as Harris.

As to the post truth political discourse, the war on established 'liberal' media, the racism, the transphobia, the misogyny and the rest.... that's the horror story (including, of course, the policies and societal effects that follow from it). You'd like to think there would be a reaction, something better, some kind of solidarity and mutual aid, but it doesn't always follow.

 

[Nylock]

The MAGA candidate could be in a good position to win - two of the main things Trump campaigned on doing, cutting inflation and sharply reducing border crossings, have already been achieved so his second term might be seen as a success if he sits back and changes very little, same as how he'd be richer if he'd put his inheritance in mutual funds instead of spending money on failed businesses like Trump Airlines.

But if he tries to implement many of his campaign promises, like 500% tariffs and getting Elion Musk to cut government spending by $2 trillion, he's likely to fuck things up so badly that even Fox News can't ignore it

Don't bet on it. Chances are those propagandists will blame anyone but Trump. Especially vulnerable minorities and the 'dreanged left'.

So she would know some dirt on newson if she is his ex probably makes him a bad choice then.

Even if there's no dirt to dig, I doubt that it will stop them from blatantly making shit up and styling it out.

If any of his spawn replace him I would have gone with Ivanka, Don Jr is a rabid loon and Eric gives the impression of not being totally there. Tiffany seems to have the good sense to have as little to do with the rest of her family as possible. Barron might be for the long term but in the shorter term my money is on Barbie Trump and her vaguely slimy husband.

There's nothing vague about Kushner's sliminess. It's front and centre with him.

 

[magneze]

Elon Musk reanimates Trumps corpse. America decides to elect its first undead president in free and fair elections.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

Christ alive! We've only just had the recent election and the media have been talking about nowt else for bloody yonks. Please don't start talking about the next one just yet. Give it a couple of years at least.

 

[Yossarian]

Elon Musk reanimates Trumps corpse. America decides to elect its first undead president in free and fair elections.

The Supreme Court will probably spend some time debating whether the reanimated undead can be considered "natural-born" citizens before deciding it would only be a disqualifier for zombie Democrats

 

[PTK]

This whole thing exposes the hollowness of the justification for the present system - that if you do not like the government, you can vote to remove it. Being able to remove the governmentr in an election is better than not being able to remove it, but if there is no real choice, then what do you do?

 

[Nylock]

My bullshit prediction:

In no particular order:

• Trump will self-pardon to absolve himself of all federal criminal charges (ofc, this will be a blatant admisison of his criminality but he won't care) thus permanently killing off the possibility of him ever facing accountability for the federal-level crimes he's accused of. As part of the process, he may also have all of the unseen evidence from his federal cases classified 'Top Secret' with a 20+ year prohibition order on it being viewed.
• The US will once again withdraw from any meaningful global climate agreements but, like with his previous admin, any measures promised will not arrest, let alone reverse, the trajectory of the markets against Oil. Individual states and municipalities will do as before and still try to follow as much of the agrement texts as possible, potentially resulting in some sort of presidential decree outlawing the practice. Coal effectively died under his previous tenure, the Oil industry is likely in for a bumpy ride as well, after an initially 'promising' start for them.
• Ukraine will be strong-armed into a land-for-peace deal with the Russians which the Ukrainians will hate and which will afford the Russians time to re-arm and re-build their forces thus laying the ground for a future Russian re-invasion to 'finish the job off' probably occurring sometime before the end of Trump's tenure. Whether that brings the rest of the European continent into open conflict remains an open question.
• Ever transactional, Trump will recognise the part Arab-Americans played in his blue wall state victories and, much to Netanyahu's dismay, will attempt to force Israel to wind down operations (after a truly horrific brief period of letting them do what they want).
• He's likely to write-off Taiwan using that as leverage to extort eyewatering 'fees' for maintaining a US military presence (and the nuclear umbrella) on the Korean Peninsula and Western Pacific.
• NATO as a military alliance will have to cope without the US being a member as he is likely to withdraw from that organisation as soon as he possibly can.
• There's going to be a trade war with the EU and China which will be initially brutal but will get resolved piecemeal as he makes targeted, specifc, deals that benefit the US to the detriment of the trading partner but is still preferable to the idiotically high initial tariff rate.
• As weak and hollow as the UN is right now, it will be even worse once the Trump admin is done with it. Assuming the US doesn't withdraw from the organisation. To appease Netanyahu after the 'sell out' (see above), UNWRA will be so starved of funds that it will effectively implode as an organisation. The US will also support Israel's expulsion of the organisation from the region. The Trump admin will also lean on states providing blue helmets for southern Lebanon leading to a possible vast reduction of observer troops or even a complete withdrawal.
• In exchange for US support on the Ukraine deal, Russia will sit on its hands in the aftermath of a major US-supported Israeli airstrike on Iranian Nuclear facilities and Oil refineries.
• The roundups and mass deportations begin to bite pitting so-called 'sanctuary states' against the federal government in an incredibly confrontational and antagonistic manner potentially kicking off a major constitutional crisis.
• A nationwide abortion ban will be implemented. Whether under Trump or Vance (if he ends up in charge).
• The older conservative SCOTUS judges will retire (some with full pardons) and the republicans will steamroll in much younger justices locking in a very conservative SCOTUS for the forseeable future.
• Domestically there wll be significant suffering as govt programmes and depts. are stripped beyond their capacity to actually deliver services effectively and Obamacare finally gets repealed with no replacement.
• Jerrymandered redistricting will become rampant in states won, and currently adminstered, by republicans in an attempt to lock-in republican majorities for the forseeable future.
• Democrats will take home entirely the wrong answers to questions raised by the Trump wave leading to a further defeat in 2026. Assuming Trump doesn't fuck it up so badly in the meantime that another 'blue wave' occurs, resulting in a blue mirage of sorts as democrats lurch further to the right leading to another GE defeat in 2028.

OFC, it's Trump so none of the above either fully or partially comes to pass and an entirely different tangent is followed, but don't count on it. The one thing that is for certain is that he is going to be all over the fucking news for (up to) the next 1,461 days. Buckle up.

 

[mx wcfc]

This whole situation has triggered me so much I've put all of the US politics threads on ignore, and this one is going there too.

I'll happily bury my head in the sand, thanks.

 

[Wilf]

Elon Musk reanimates Trumps corpse. America decides to elect its first undead president in free and fair elections.

Surely, not the first?

 

[Sue]

My bullshit prediction:

In no particular order:

• Trump will self-pardon to absolve himself of all federal criminal charges (ofc, this will be a blatant admisison of his criminality but he won't care) thus permanently killing off the possibility of him ever facing accountability for the federal-level crimes he's accused of. As part of the process, he may also have all of the unseen evidence from his federal cases classified 'Top Secret' with a 20+ year prohibition order on it being viewed.
• The US will once again withdraw from any meaningful global climate agreements but, like with his previous admin, any measures promised will not arrest, let alone reverse, the trajectory of the markets against Oil. Individual states and municipalities will do as before and still try to follow as much of the agrement texts as possible, potentially resulting in some sort of presidential decree outlawing the practice. Coal effectively died under his previous tenure, the Oil industry is likely in for a bumpy ride as well, after an initially 'promising' start for them.
• Ukraine will be strong-armed into a land-for-peace deal with the Russians which the Ukrainians will hate and which will afford the Russians time to re-arm and re-build their forces thus laying the ground for a future Russian re-invasion to 'finish the job off' probably occurring sometime before the end of Trump's tenure. Whether that brings the rest of the European continent into open conflict remains an open question.
• Ever transactional, Trump will recognise the part Arab-Americans played in his blue wall state victories and, much to Netanyahu's dismay, will attempt to force Israel to wind down operations (after a truly horrific brief period of letting them do what they want).
• He's likely to write-off Taiwan using that as leverage to extort eyewatering 'fees' for maintaining a US military presence (and the nuclear umbrella) on the Korean Peninsula and Western Pacific.
• NATO as a military alliance will have to cope without the US being a member as he is likely to withdraw from that organisation as soon as he possibly can.
• There's going to be a trade war with the EU and China which will be initially brutal but will get resolved piecemeal as he makes targeted, specifc, deals that benefit the US to the detriment of the trading partner but is still preferable to the idiotically high initial tariff rate.
• As weak and hollow as the UN is right now, it will be even worse once the Trump admin is done with it. Assuming the US doesn't withdraw from the organisation. To appease Netanyahu after the 'sell out' (see above), UNWRA will be so starved of funds that it will effectively implode as an organisation. The US will also support Israel's expulsion of the organisation from the region. The Trump admin will also lean on states providing blue helmets for southern Lebanon leading to a possible vast reduction of observer troops or even a complete withdrawal.
• In exchange for US support on the Ukraine deal, Russia will sit on its hands in the aftermath of a major US-supported Israeli airstrike on Iranian Nuclear facilities and Oil refineries.
• The roundups and mass deportations begin to bite pitting so-called 'sanctuary states' against the federal government in an incredibly confrontational and antagonistic manner potentially kicking off a major constitutional crisis.
• A nationwide abortion ban will be implemented. Whether under Trump or Vance (if he ends up in charge).
• The older conservative SCOTUS judges will retire (some with full pardons) and the republicans will steamroll in much younger justices locking in a very conservative SCOTUS for the forseeable future.
• Domestically there wll be significant suffering as govt programmes and depts. are stripped beyond their capacity to actually deliver services effectively and Obamacare finally gets repealed with no replacement.
• Jerrymandered redistricting will become rampant in states won, and currently adminstered, by republicans in an attempt to lock-in republican majorities for the forseeable future.
• Democrats will take home entirely the wrong answers to questions raised by the Trump wave leading to a further defeat in 2026. Assuming Trump doesn't fuck it up so badly in the meantime that another 'blue wave' occurs, resulting in a blue mirage of sorts as democrats lurch further to the right leading to another GE defeat in 2028.

OFC, it's Trump so none of the above either fully or partially comes to pass and an entirely different tangent is followed, but don't count on it. The one thing that is for certain is that he is going to be all over the fucking news for (up to) the next 1,461 days. Buckle up.

Well Nylock I sincerely hope you're wrong because that ^ is depressing as fuck.

 

[Nylock]

Well Nylock I sincerely hope you're wrong because that ^ is depressing as fuck.

I totally agree it is

...Which is why I posted that, due to his erraticness it's also likely none of that will come to pass (let's hope so!). Or maybe somewhere in between. Frankly I'm not looking forward to the next 4 years in the least

 

[Dogsauce]

There will be voting rights given to AI generated bots following some bullshit court case similar to Citizens United, with the AI bots trained and politically informed by the content on Musk’s sewer of a platform at the fore. A digital boot stamping on the human face forever.