Yeah, you said that.
Not sure why he would even if he wasn't the prick he was.
Maccabi Tel Aviv incident, Amsterdam November 2024
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Not sure why he would even if he wasn't the prick he was.
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
No, apologies have been thin from most.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Wow. Even the usually reliable ch4 news back to reporting what happened last week mainly as antisemitic violence, with a little of what the Israeli fans got up to as an afterthought. 
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Allez les bleusuh oh France vs Israel tonight. In Saint-Denis
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
For balance.
He is Foreign Secretary now. Not just some backbencher. What he says in public carries more weight.
I did say his initial reaction was fair enough.
Now more has come out about it and their is two sides to this.
I don't see, for example, any X post by him condemning the racist chants in public by supporters of this Israeli team or the way when there was a minutes silence for people in Spain them disrupting it.
Not saying these supporters represent all Israeli opinion. From what I've read on this thread and elsewhere they have a large right wing element.
So far silence from Lammy on that.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
EXPOSED: What REALLY Happened in Amsterdam
The Video The Media Doesn’t Want You To See
www.doubledown.news
teqniq
DisMembered
Whilst the 'official' narrative has been fairly comprehensively trashed for the bullshit it is and most people on here seems to be aware of this, here is a youtube production by Doubledown news which has all the elements of the bullshit all in one place. May be useful to point people at who are still skeptical:Wow. Even the usually reliable ch4 news back to reporting what happened last week mainly as antisemitic violence, with a little of what the Israeli fans got up to as an afterthought.
teqniq
DisMembered
Trouble with Israeli fans inside the French stadium in tonight's match:
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E2a another vid in which it is reported that they beat up one or more French people:
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E2a another vid in which it is reported that they beat up one or more French people:
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Is that unusual? He used to spout off about alsorts but I'm guessing he isn't on the wireless anymore. Do foreign secretaries often comment on football hooliganism and what is shouted in terraces abroad?
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
He made one post about it. So in his case he did comment on it. Whether that's usual I don't know. He definitely did wade in straight away
More info came to light and its been silence
So he comments on anti semitism and says nothing on the anti arab racism that's subsequently come to light
And disrespect shown to Spanish people
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I guess when you know they'll send air support if it all goes to shit you can do what the fuck you please.
He commented on anti-semitic violence it's not the same thing as a racist chant and the silence being fucked up even though both of those make my blood boil. There was of course anti arab violence against both people and their homes.
You weren't talking about making a post about anti-arab racism before you said " cannot see any later posts by him qualifying his earlier assumptions of what happened." There was anti-Semitic violence. That does not need qualifying it needs condemning. A separate tweet on other things that happened maybe appropriate on its own merits. I would agree with that.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
In sorry what is your problem here?
Sounds to me like your reading into my posts something I'm not saying.
Maybe, your post quoting his tweet could be read that he should qualify his tweet about anti Semitic violence. I see no reason why he should do that.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Yes this is very good dissection of how its been portrayed in media and how some politicians have used it.
At end he says why ( given that Russian football clubs are banned ) Israeli teams aren't banned.
I wonder that as well.
Gramsci
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little_legs
Поехали!
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
He's very good. I take little interest in Dutch politics, ridiculous as it's the country I've visited most. I do hold a seething hatred for Femke Halsema (Mayor of Amsterdam) but I don't know a lot about parliament.
So anyway, I googled, he's Stephan van Baarle and he leads a pro-immigration party that split from Labour. Unfortunately his party only holds 3 seats in the second chamber (out of 150, so 2%) but at least it gives him this platform. And I think his name is worth a deserved mentioning.
His party is called Denk btw, which means Think.
So anyway, I googled, he's Stephan van Baarle and he leads a pro-immigration party that split from Labour. Unfortunately his party only holds 3 seats in the second chamber (out of 150, so 2%) but at least it gives him this platform. And I think his name is worth a deserved mentioning.
His party is called Denk btw, which means Think.
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
Watch this report. This is the police in Northern Europe.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
As minister he's also bound by collective cabinet responsibility and can't just comment on anything as easily.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
He's quite forthright on subjects on his X.
It's not just posting government statements.
The point I keep having to make is that if Foreign secretary makes a X post on a contentious subject and later further details come to light he should also post on that.
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Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
Funny how this wasn’t reported. It’s almost like them most moral can’t help themselves.
This piece from +972 is worth reading.
www.972mag.com
Weaponizing Jewish fear, from Tel Aviv to Amsterdam
Rhetoric about ‘pogroms’ and ‘Jew hunts’ aims to obscure reality by generating mass hysteria — which can then be used to advance a far-right agenda.
www.972mag.com
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
This piece from +972 is worth reading.
Weaponizing Jewish fear, from Tel Aviv to Amsterdam
Rhetoric about ‘pogroms’ and ‘Jew hunts’ aims to obscure reality by generating mass hysteria — which can then be used to advance a far-right agenda.
This is a clear and horrifying illustration of how Israel fails to be what it has always professed: the answer to the question of Jewish safety. When it continually declares that it is waging war on Palestinians in the name of Jewish safety, and receives the enthusiastic backing of prominent establishment Jewish organizations around the world, it feels inevitable that slippage between anti-Israel hostility and antisemitism will occur. Furthermore, the failure of the international community to hold Israel accountable has only exacerbated conspiracy theories about Jewish power that distract from the mechanisms of western imperialism.
That doesn’t make violence against Jews in the name of rage against Israel acceptable — far from it. But in order to combat it, we need to recognize that Israel’s actions are making Jews around the world less safe, and seek to put distance between diaspora Jews and the machinations of a nation-state entirely disinterested in our security.
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