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Jesus, look at this:

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Wu-Ming have now finshed the translation of

Grillismo: Yet another right-wing cult coming from Italy

[A week ago a prestigious British magazine asked us for a long piece on Grillismo. We wrote it and submitted it, but they edited it so heavily that it became an entirely different article. We had to stop publication. The piece was too long - almost 5,000 words - to submit it to any other mag or newspaper, let them do all the editing all over again and have it published in a reasonable lapse of time. Over here the situation is very bad, and people abroad are completely disinformed about it. Every day we read nonsense and bullshit on Grillo by people who completely ignore the reactionary, authoritarian nature of his movement. A harsh reality is biting our arses and we need to send a message in a bottle right now. In the end, having no other possibility, we decided to publish the piece on this ugly, obsolete, long neglected blog, which is in bad need of complete reconstruction and a new start, but even in its present form is better than nothing. Of course it isn't as authoritative as that London magazine, and potential circulation is ludicrous in comparison, but what else can we do? Please feel free to copy our analysis and republish it wherever you want. Thanks.]
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Best thing i've seen on this yet - do read it. i noted that aside from Dario Fo in the picture above (and also noted in the article) that bifo - another 68-77 veteran - has sort of come out in favour of Grillo as their existence essentially "make the country ungovernable" and goes as far as to endorses their program as the way out of the crisis.
 
butchersapron said:
Wu-Ming have now finshed the translation of

Grillismo: Yet another right-wing cult coming from Italy



Best thing i've seen on this yet - do read it. i noted that aside from Dario Fo in the picture above (and also noted in the article) that bifo - another 68-77 veteran - has sort of come out in favour of Grillo as their existence essentially "make the country ungovernable" and goes as far as to endorses their program as the way out of the crisis.
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Good piece. People should read this.
 
Simone Di Stefano: «Are you an antifascist?»
Beppe Grillo: «This question doesn’t concern me. 5SM is an ecumenical movement.»
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«Before it degenerated, fascism had a sense of national community (which it took directly from socialism), the highest respect for the state and a will to protect the [institution of] family.»
(Roberta Lombardi, 5SM member of Parliament, 21 January 2013 )
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Oh dear. . . this means they've drunk the black-shirted kool aid. The far-right tried to muscle in on the Pirate Party here in Deutschland and they got booted out sharpish. That's despite the Piraten being a group of silly naive geeks and nerds.
 
I told my Italian colleague about this Wu Ming piece, and she went "Yay, Wu Ming - I remember them from the '90s".

And she agrees Grillo is dodgy - his latest wheeze is declaring that he wants 100% of the votes.

I think we've seen this movie before.
 
Idris2002 said:
I told my Italian colleague about this Wu Ming piece, and she went "Yay, Wu Ming - I remember them from the '90s".

And she agrees Grillo is dodgy - his latest wheeze is declaring that he wants 100% of the votes.

I think we've seen this movie before.
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The main difference is that currently there's no open working class revolt that a populist right wing wants to crush. Rather it seems like "anti politics" parties like this are simply shooting at an open goal, created by the death of the mass radical working class movement and the continuing alienation of everyday life. Plus added urgency since the great recession started.
 
Internal tensions:

Beppe Grillo condemns his MPs for breaking voting pact

In a sign of growing tension between the movement's co-founder and some of its 163 new representatives, Grillo demanded that choices at the ballot box be made public after a centre-left candidate was elected speaker of the Senate with the help of a handful of M5S votes.

He said that a majority of the M5S's parliamentarians – or grillini, as they are known – had agreed in advance that they would submit blank votes in the runoff between Pietro Grasso, a former anti-mafia prosecutor standing on behalf of the Democratic party (PD), and Renato Schifani, the candidate put forward by Silvio Berlusconi's Freedom People party (PdL). Any MP who had not done so, wrote Grillo on his blog, would be expected "to take the necessary consequences" for having "lied to voters".
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Underneath Grillo's blog, many M5S supporters expressed their disappointment at his attitude towards the Grasso vote. "Dear Beppe, you created a wonderful thing," wrote one commenter who gave his name as Enrico Sodini. "But I don't understand now what the aim is … euthanasia?"
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John Foot says Grillo confirms that his movement will not take part in today's (Liberation Day) commemorations of anti-fascist resistance.
 
Another analysis of the M5S has just been published here. Written by someone on the ground in Italy it explains the movement's success as a call to clean up Italian politics.
 
Just read that, bit of a mix, from the far right to anti-globalisation groups, I suspect we will see many more of these as austerity and poverty increases,

maybe not here though.
 
Apparently the main leaders of the movement are concerned about far right infiltration and have called a halt to marches, but others plan to 'march on rome!'
 
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To keep an eye out for -

PM Renzi faces heavy defeat in Italy mayoral elections - exit polls

In the run-off ballot in Rome, the 5-Star candidate, Virginia Raggi was likely to win a commanding 62-66 percent of the vote, according to the EMG pollster, against 34-38 percent for the centre-left's Roberto Giachetti.

In perhaps the biggest potential blow to Renzi, the PD risks a shock defeat in one of its traditional heartlands, Turin, the home of carmaker Fiat, where its incumbent Piero Fassino was trailing the 5-Star's candidate Chiara Appendino.
Appendino was set to win 49.5-53.5 percent of the vote, compared with 46.5-50.5 percent for Fassino, pollsters said.
 
Confirmed victories for 5 star mayoral candidates in both Rome and Turin. Very bad indeed for renzi. Means just one of the 4 big cities has a PD mayor (Milan)
 
Not massive. PD occupies the center-ground so solidly, it's absolutely the party of choice for business. And nowhere does the voice of business resonate more loudly.
 
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