Italian politics and elections - news and discussion

[The39thStep]

The one thing I've heard said about Meloni is that she has embraced the EU as an institution - and vice versa - particularly regarding ukraine war but not just - which has upset her eurosceptic supporters but is solidifying her as an establishment (rather than anti-establishment) politician. Mainstreaming hard. Then add in a Trump alliance...

I posted up my view that the populists and far right were capable of making the EU whatever they wanted it to be last year or whenever . What I find interesting is how what was once a cordon sanitaire is by the centre right and the liberals there is now an arm round the shoulder. We had the same this week in Portugal where after an election campaign by the DA ( the centre right SDP alliance) which said 'no means no' to any coalition with Chega they nominated a Chega member for Vice President of the House.

 

[ska invita]

I posted up my view that the populists and far right were capable of making the EU whatever they wanted it to be last year or whenever . What I find interesting is how what was once a cordon sanitaire is by the centre right and the liberals there is now an arm round the shoulder. We had the same this week in Portugal where after an election campaign by the DA ( the centre right SDP alliance) which said 'no means no' to any coalition with Chega they nominated a Chega member for Vice President of the House.

I think the EU is malleable and can be whatever it's members want it to be, fact is the populist right and the liberal right and centre have a huge amount in common as is made evident daily. Even the fascistic genocidal Israeli right have basically been kept in the global gang.

 

[The39thStep]

I think the EU is malleable and can be whatever it's members want it to be, fact is the populist right and the liberal right and centre have a huge amount in common as is made evident daily. Even the fascistic genocidal Israeli right have basically been kept in the global gang.

Very flakey article on this 'dilemna' . Obviously no analysis about 'The weakness and exhaustion of mainstream parties'

Europe’s centre-right dilemma: work with the far right, or work to exclude it?

Portuguese election just the latest in Europe where populist right has gathered momentum

www.theguardian.com

 

[Dogsauce]

Wondering how long Europe will hold, the far right is organised and well funded/supported by both libertarian billionaire types in the states and culture war hardliners from the east (most channeling through Orban who is central to a lot of it, with Russian support overt and covert). The USA is quite probably lost already. Where will the world go, what will it look like when all this comes to fruition? A boot stamping on the face?

 

[The39thStep]

Wondering how long Europe will hold, the far right is organised and well funded/supported by both libertarian billionaire types in the states and culture war hardliners from the east (most channeling through Orban who is central to a lot of it, with Russian support overt and covert). The USA is quite probably lost already. Where will the world go, what will it look like when all this comes to fruition? A boot stamping on the face?

Do you think Melloni is funded by the East or Russia , or Chega ?

 

[Dogsauce]

Do you think Melloni is funded by the East or Russia , or Chega ?

Don’t know a lot about Melloni, she’s been somewhat anti-Russian which is an outlier for the far right at present, and wasn’t particularly expected that she would take this line.

 

[The39thStep]

Don’t know a lot about Melloni, she’s been somewhat anti-Russian which is an outlier for the far right at present, and wasn’t particularly expected that she would take this line.

So are Chega. I think one of the issues with lumping all the far right/populist right together ( I'm not suggesting you are btw) whilst there are some common themes there are also some differences not just about the EU, and the groupings they are in but also economic and foreign policy .

 

[The39thStep]

I've posted up the video ( which is about the Euro elections) on the EU watch thread. What Mudde says about Melloni is fascinating

 

[RD2003]

‘She just says blah blah’: why Italy’s downtrodden believe Meloni is doing nothing for them

The PM is talking up her underdog credentials ahead of this week’s European elections. But many in an impoverished Rome neighbourhood are sceptical

www.theguardian.com

 

[hitmouse]

CGIL and UIL (I think historically the PSI-linked confederation, although I dunno how much that actually means nowadays) calling a general strike against the new budget at the end of November, the Catholic confederation is staying out of it though:

CGIL and UIL confirm general strike against budget - Politics - Ansa.it

Two of Italy's Big Three trade union federations, CGIL and UIL, on Monday confirmed a general strike November 29 against the 2025 budget bill despite talks earlier Monday with the government on the package. (ANSA)

www.ansa.it

Big demo in Florence this weekend linked to that occupied GKN factory:

17 novembre 2024 – #insorgiamo

 

[tim]

CGIL and UIL (I think historically the PSI-linked confederation, although I dunno how much that actually means nowadays) calling a general strike against the new budget at the end of November, the Catholic confederation is staying out of it though:

CGIL and UIL confirm general strike against budget - Politics - Ansa.it

Two of Italy's Big Three trade union federations, CGIL and UIL, on Monday confirmed a general strike November 29 against the 2025 budget bill despite talks earlier Monday with the government on the package. (ANSA)

www.ansa.it

Big demo in Florence this weekend linked to that occupied GKN factory:

17 novembre 2024 – #insorgiamo

I went on General Strike in Italy once. My boss said it would look bad if we didn’t strike, but that she would still pay us. That was when the Red Belt was still the Red Belt.

 

[Serge Forward]

Licia Pinelli, the widow of Giuseppe Pinelli (anarchist murdered by the filth) has died: Morta Licia Pinelli, oltre 50 anni a caccia della verità - Notizie - Ansa.it.

 

[Flavour]

CGIL and UIL (I think historically the PSI-linked confederation, although I dunno how much that actually means nowadays) calling a general strike against the new budget at the end of November, the Catholic confederation is staying out of it though:

CGIL and UIL confirm general strike against budget - Politics - Ansa.it

Two of Italy's Big Three trade union federations, CGIL and UIL, on Monday confirmed a general strike November 29 against the 2025 budget bill despite talks earlier Monday with the government on the package. (ANSA)

www.ansa.it

Big demo in Florence this weekend linked to that occupied GKN factory:

17 novembre 2024 – #insorgiamo

doesn't mean much no but the strike will be quite big i think. certainly all the transport and logistics will be affected. its the weekend of Black Friday too

 

[Kate Sharpley]

Licia Pinelli, the widow of Giuseppe Pinelli (anarchist murdered by the filth) has died: Morta Licia Pinelli, oltre 50 anni a caccia della verità - Notizie - Ansa.it.

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Version on their site in Italian has more pictures Licia Pinelli (1928-2024) | Centro studi libertari - Archivio G. Pinelli