Italian politics and elections - news and discussion

[Fedayn]

Fascism in Italy: The hipster fascists trying to bring Mussolini back into the mainstream

An article on CasaPound that had some interesting bits but a very telling point from the doctor in the outreach who said that we are doing what the communist party used to do in the poor/working class areas. The perfect example of how the right/far right are taking the clothes of the Left and filling the vacuum.

 

[Idris2002]

Listened to his podcast last night:

/30/ Italy: Country of the Future? ft. David Broder

Well worth a listen, even if the conclusions are depressing: the Lega (no longer "Nord") has hoovered up the old working class vote that used to go to the PCI. And the oscillation between desperate populists of the Berlusconi/Grillo type and utterly amoral technocrats who view ordinary people the way a scientist might view a rat in a maze is the wave of the future, and not just in Italy.

 

[butchersapron]

Listened to his podcast last night:

/30/ Italy: Country of the Future? ft. David Broder

Well worth a listen, even if the conclusions are depressing: the Lega (no longer "Nord") has hoovered up the old working class vote that used to go to the PCI. And the oscillation between desperate populists of the Berlusconi/Grillo type and utterly amoral technocrats who view ordinary people the way a scientist might view a rat in a maze is the wave of the future, and not just in Italy.

And for those who prefer to listen with their eyes:

The Gross Coalition - David Broder

If forces to the left of social democracy are emerging only in fits and starts in Italy, March 4 will be decisive in determining the center-left’s own short-term future. The first results from the Italian national vote, this Sunday evening, should also be accompanied by the outcome of the SPD members’ referendum on joining the Große Koalition. In each country social democracy is waning to the advantage of the far right; in each case, recent events have failed to produce any fundamental overhaul. Even the identity of the Left rapidly weakens, as once-great parties cling to the center for cover.

 

[Idris2002]

 

[petee]

by that criterion, I'm with Potere al Popolo

 

[hipipol]

The X Factor game show elements of modern "popular" - ie manipulated, democracy are properly displayed.
There is almost no sensible option
Good luck to Italy
You'll need it

 

[rekil]

by that criterion, I'm with Potere al Popolo

Viewpoint mag article about them here.

"Power to the People!": An Interview with Je so' Pazzo - Viewpoint Magazine

 

[Dogsauce]

The X Factor game show elements of modern "popular" - ie manipulated, democracy are properly displayed.
There is almost no sensible option
Good luck to Italy
You'll need it

Trump, Berlesconi, erdogan, Putin, Duterte, Sarkozy, Netanyahu. Like the worse kind of self-regarding hand-in-the-till cunt keeps winning. Democracy needs to take a good look at itself.

 

[stethoscope]

Live updates here, early exit poll predicts no overall majority, Five Star Movement largest party, Democratic Party third...
Italy election: hung parliament on the cards as populist parties surge – live!

 

[Idris2002]

Alas.

 

[Idris2002]

Potere al Popolo don't seem to have been placed anywhere at all. 0.92% of the vote, if my reading of an Italian website is correct (and I don't speak Italian).

 

[chilango]

Potere al Popolo don't seem to have been placed anywhere at all. 0.92% of the vote, if my reading of an Italian website is correct (and I don't speak Italian).

Nudging just over 1.0%
whilst Casa Pound is just under.

 

[DotCommunist]

the goans opinion piece on the result recons the rise of populism threatens to kill liberal democracy (good) and its because the youngs don't remember hitler or the cold war.

 

[chilango]

Speciale Elezioni: riepilogo risultati – Ecco chi ha vinto Camera – 4 marzo 2018

 

[butchersapron]

the goans opinion piece on the result recons the rise of populism threatens to kill liberal democracy (good) and its because the youngs don't remember hitler or the cold war.

You'll have noted that there was not a single reference or mention of any political project, action, policies or to any economic or material effect of the former in producing a very real very angry alienation from liberal capitalist democracy and the results of its structural motivations.

(Guess where the writer was educated as well - it'll come as a real shock to you)

 

[chilango]

You'll have noted that there was not a single reference or mention of any political project, action, policies or to any economic or material effect of the former in producing a very real very angry alienation from liberal capitalist democracy and the results of its structural motivations.

(Guess where the writer was educated as well - it'll come as a real shock to you)

Heh. Guess what sport they mention doing on linked in?

 

[chilango]

It's interesting that Potere al Popolo and Casa Pound are getting such similar, tiny, %s.

 

[butchersapron]

Heh. Guess what sport they mention doing on linked in?

Push him off if you get the chance.

 

[chilango]

Push him off if you get the chance.

Are we looking at the same writer

 

[butchersapron]

Are we looking at the same writer

I didn't look, i just assumed he was a climber. We're talking yascha mounk right?

 

[chilango]

I didn't look, i just assumed he was a climber. We're talking yascha mounk right?

Nah. Stephanie Kirchgaessner. "Division I athlete: Rowing" at the George Washington University.

 

[butchersapron]

Nah. Stephanie Kirchgaessner. "Division I athlete: Rowing" at the George Washington University.

Ah, you're supposed to have been looking at this piece.

 

[DotCommunist]

I was on about the mounk piece. He's cambridge then harvard and:
Executive Director at the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change :/

 

[chilango]

Ah, you're supposed to have been looking at this piece.

Ahhh.

Two different pieces by two different elitely educated journos. What are the odds, eh?

 

[stethoscope]

Results...
Italian elections 2018 - full results

 

[stethoscope]

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I was on about the mounk piece. He's cambridge then harvard and:
Executive Director at the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change :/

Also the author of this marvellous peak-NYT piece: Opinion | How Liberals Can Reclaim Nationalism

 

[DotCommunist]

You'll have noted that there was not a single reference or mention of any political project, action, policies or to any economic or material effect of the former in producing a very real very angry alienation from liberal capitalist democracy and the results of its structural motivations.

(Guess where the writer was educated as well - it'll come as a real shock to you)

getting as close as they can to it in an editorial:

It is easy for Europe’s populists to blame policy responses taken by Brussels. Populists are able to promise the earth while not dealing with the problems on it. Mainstream parties do not have this luxury. They must have credible ideas to reform European institutions so they are more responsive to citizens’ needs and sensitive to fiscal risk-sharing between northern surplus economies and peripheral deficit economies. There are welcome signs that France and Germany will work together to make this happen.

 

[Idris2002]

Lovely stuff. Well done to all responsible for this one.

 

[teqniq]

Delusions of grandeur going on right here.

The leader of Italy’s far-right Northern League party has said he will not support any candidate for prime minister other than himself, as horse-trading to form a governing coalition begins after indecisive elections at the weekend....

Italian far-right leader says he wants to be Prime Minister as election leaves him in strong coalition position