Hamas/Israel conflict: news and discussion

[8ball]

So I was also one of those bigots or perhaps collateral damage.

I dunno, haven’t seen many of your posts so far. Where do you stand on, for example, platinumsage being allowed to post on this thread?

 

[cesare]

I dunno, haven’t seen many of your posts so far. Where do you stand on, for example, platinumsage being allowed to post on this thread?

I think they should post what they want and respond to reactions to their posts.

Edit: but for the avoidance of doubt, I disagree with most of what they say.

 

[8ball]

Edit: but for the avoidance of doubt, I disagree with most of what they say.

Sure, I disagree with a lot of it too.

As well as with some other things that get said, obv.

 

[Flavour]

I had a realisation today that people on the Left are generally being pretty good at making clear that the Jewish people are not the same thing as the Israeli government... and it's the Right who are most likely to make that equivalence and also tend act as though they must be doing the right thing by the Jewish people to do so and we ought to be thanking them for it.

I think there's a number of reasons for this - I guess in the US the Christo-fascist right have a vested interest in 'supporting Israel' due to their Messianic beliefs about it (Glory days will only come once all the Israelites convert to Christianity etc); it gives them a stick to beat the Left with 'Oh, you don't support Israel, you're an antisemite!'; sheer contrarianism 'Those Lefties hate Israel, well, we'll support it then!' and also I suppose that they hate Muslims more than they hate Jews so they can run the 'Only democracy in the Middle East Line'. Maybe it was once, but certainly not under Netanyahu.

As Ilan Pappe describes in his excellent book, "ten myths about Israel", zionism was originally a Christian invention, and not a benign one.

 

[PR1Berske]

 

[twistedAM]

I really hadn’t noticed him until this thread . Does a good impression of background noise though .

A drone.

 

[mojo pixy]

If there’s any impartiality on this thread, I haven’t seen it. At least, not since anyone sensible gave up posting on it.

I'm completely impartial. Hamas are evil terrorist cunts. The IDF are evil murdering cunts. I don't have a side.

Israel needs to fucking stop this though, now. What's the endgame here? How is this bombing helping? Take the moral high ground.

I'm not impartial; I'm actually pro-israel, which is why I've become more and more horrified at the political degeneration of the last 22 years ... of which the last 3 weeks are really only the last 3 weeks.

 

[Gramsci]

Looking up Spain and the difference between there and here in relation to mainstream politics is a chasm

It's sort of run by centre left/ left coalition.

Sanchez has defended his left partners ( Podemos and Sumar) who the Israeli embassy have accused of being Hamas supporters.

Spain rejects Israeli claims of its officials aligning with Hamas

Minister in coalition government had suggested Benjamin Netanyahu should face war crimes charges

www.theguardian.com

Just simply wouldn't happen here.

 

[ska invita]

Netanyahu has just said "This [war] is the mission of my life"... confirms my worst fears

 

[8ball]

Netanyahu has just said "This [war] is the mission of my life"... confirms my worst fears

I found a link - just because there’s a lot of chilling stuff all in one speech:

Terrorists killed in exchange of fire at Erez crossing; Jake Sullivan says Washington candid with Israel

In interview National Security Advisor says Israel should use all means possible to distinguish between Palestinian civilians and Hamas; says U.S. making clear its views on the sanctity of life

www.ynetnews.com

<apols about awful ads>

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Oh wow...

 

[Raheem]

Netanyahu has just said "This [war] is the mission of my life"... confirms my worst fears

"It will take up at least the last 20 minutes of the film."

 

[platinumsage]

Netanyahu has just said "This [war] is the mission of my life"... confirms my worst fears

Turns out he didn't say that at all. What he said was "It [the war] will be a triumph of good over evil, life over death. This is our life's mission - my life's mission" which can be read very differently.

 

[ska invita]

Turns out he didn't say that at all. What he said was "It [the war] will be a triumph of good over evil, life over death. This is our life's mission - my life's mission" which can be read very differently.

You're not the TRUTH DEFENDER you think you are
He also said:
"This is the mission of my life … in your name and the name of everybody."

 

[PTK]

Turns out he didn't say that at all. What he said was "It [the war] will be a triumph of good over evil, life over death. This is our life's mission - my life's mission" which can be read very differently.

What is the difference?

 

[platinumsage]

What is the difference?

Whether a a triumph of good over evil is everyone's life mission or whether the war is his life's mission. But apparently I'm wrong anyway because he said it twice according to the Guardian.

 

[Bingoman]

What on earth does that mean?

 

[ska invita]

yeah he said it three times ("our life's mission " "my life's mission" "the mission of my life") because this is his dream come true, everything he has worked for is coming to pass, and he's fucking loving it

 

[Raheem]

What on earth does that mean?

It's like Brexit.

 

[Flavour]

It's getting extremely boring having two thirds of the thread being platinumsage defending Israel no matter what and other posters engaging with this apology for genocide.

 

[Bingoman]

It's like Brexit.

Oh ok

 

[PTK]

It's getting extremely boring having two thirds of the thread being platinumsage defending Israel no matter what and other posters engaging with this apology for genocide.

Yep, good point. Let us all put him on "ignore."

 

[Cid]

Both his previous usernames were permabanned iirc. And yet he returns. <shrug> Ignore will do.

 

[WhyLikeThis]

What on earth does that mean?

He’s likely planning to annex northern Gaza.

 

[ska invita]

Both his previous usernames were permabanned iirc. And yet he returns. <shrug> Ignore will do.

oh what are they?

 

[cupid_stunt]

Both his previous usernames were permabanned iirc. And yet he returns. <shrug> Ignore will do.

Oh, do tell what their previous usernames were, by PM if you don't want to name & shame in public.

 

[8ball]

He’s likely planning to annex northern Gaza.

I’ve heard this a couple of times in the last day or so.
I gather he hasn’t denied it (some Israeli sources are saying civilians will be able to return).

 

[Cid]

Already mentioned on here, but will do so again, then suggest we move on; bi0boy/mrs D.

 

[Cid]

Honestly some decent pushback wouldn't go amiss. Though I can understand why the likes of spy etc are steering clear...

That shit wasn't it though.

 

[platinumsage]

Already mentioned on here, but will do so again, then suggest we move on; bi0boy/mrs D.

bi0boy was never banned and I disclosed the rest to editor when I registered this account, but it's fine I'll just leave, I love the good parts of this place but the rest winds me up too much.