Food Shortages

[Badgers]

Wages and conditions won’t improve if visa restrictions are loosened.

Think they will if restrictions are not lifted? With this government?

 

[TopCat]

Think they will if restrictions are not lifted? With this government?

The govt are not setting the wages. If the plants can’t recruit they will up the terms and conditions.

 

[bimble]

If the plants can’t recruit they will up the terms and conditions.

The plants can't recruit. There's been shortages of meat products as a result of nobody to do this work for some months now. Do you think the owners are sat there thinking if they wait a bit longer then meat processors will show up?

They'd have to raise wages very significantly imo to get UK people to choose to train for & and enter that trade. And whole chickens in tescos, cleaned plucked packaged, are about £2.
So its not as simple as blaming the meat plant owner, or the farmer, the whole food economy is geared up to make everything small margins high volume & cheap.

 

[Badgers]

The govt are not setting the wages. If the plants can’t recruit they will up the terms and conditions.

So nothing will change.

Apart from the scaffolders. Who work with developers. Who donate to the #ToryScum?

 

[TopCat]

The plants can't recruit. There's been shortages of meat products as a result of nobody to do this work for some months now. Do you think the owners are sat there thinking if they wait a bit longer then meat processors will show up?

They'd have to raise wages very significantly imo to get UK people to choose to train for & and enter that trade. And whole chickens in tescos, cleaned plucked packaged, are about £2.
So its not as simple as blaming the meat plant owner, or the farmer, the whole food economy is geared up to make everything small margins high volume & cheap.

So raise terms and conditions significantly or go out of business and see your market share go to better organised plants; ones that value their most important asset, people.

 

[JoeyBoy]

Luckily it is only the meat plant workers that are exploited.

Everyone else is sorted

Things are just peachy at the moment as far as I am concerned. I'm a happy bunny on minimum wage Guv'nor, come to work with a song on my lips and joy in my heart.

 

[Poot]

Aldi was about 2/3 fully stocked this morning. The freezers were almost empty, no crisps, and the fruit and veg aisle looking quite sad.

 

[Chilli.s]

This is not a food shortage story but does seem exactly what would happen in an arty film about the beginning of the end of days.

White deer killed by police after running through Merseyside streets

Animal welfare experts urged officers to let buck find its way home but police say they were left ‘no option’

www.theguardian.com

It's said to be very bad luck to kill a white stag. I think we can all see this as reason for all the current woes

 

[TopCat]

It's said to be very bad luck to kill a white stag. I think we can all see this as reason for all the current woes

Did they run it over?

 

[Santino]

Really should have followed the white stag through the forest to be given a quest by a fay maiden. Pretty basic stuff.

 

[WouldBe]

Governor of the bank of england yesterday apparently said, in a talk about the current state of our economy, that he's wondering when the plague of locusts will arrive.

He's a bit late what with locusts striping shops shelves and now draining petrol stations.

 

[WouldBe]

. The freezers were almost empty, no crisps,

You don't normally find crisps in the freezers.

 

[Pickman's model]

Its surely fine in Brazil, where i think our xmas turkeys (if any) will come from this year.

i imagine there are also turkey farms in other counties

 

[bimble]

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i imagine there are also turkey farms in other counties

Wait and see. Study the Xmas turkeys for country of origin. It’s just a theory but I reckon I’m right. The ‘there will be a shortage of turkeys at Xmas’ headlines have been going for weeks already.
Brazil is a massive exporter of turkeys and Johnson asked whether they could maybe please sort us out with a ‘food item’.

 

[Pickman's model]

Wait and see. Study the Xmas turkeys for country of origin. It’s just a theory but I reckon I’m right. The ‘there will be a shortage of turkeys at Xmas’ headlines have been going for weeks already.
Brazil is a massive exporter of turkeys and Johnson asked whether they could maybe please sort us out with a ‘food item’.

yes, earning a massive $270m apparently. but more than 90% of the turkey meat exported is cut, only 0.5% are whole birds, and the main consumers of brazilian turkey meat are south africa, benin, and angola followed by countries in the americas.

 

[bimble]

yes, earning a massive $270m apparently. but more than 90% of the turkey meat exported is cut, only 0.5% are whole birds, and the main consumers of brazilian turkey meat are south africa, benin, and angola followed by countries in the americas.

Well maybe Johnson offered to pay more than Angola ! For whole birds, which are less work too.

 

[Sue]

yes, earning a massive $270m apparently. but more than 90% of the turkey meat exported is cut, only 0.5% are whole birds, and the main consumers of brazilian turkey meat are south africa, benin, and angola followed by countries in the americas.

Every day's a school day.

 

[hash tag]

A turkey producer (sic) was on the radio this morning saying he expected this a long time ago and has scaled back production as a result. He reckons many more producers have done the same, so there may well be a shortage of UK birds this Christmas due to lack of supply.

 

[Dogsauce]

Isn’t part of the problem with the food industry that a lot of these plants are in the middle of nowhere like rural Lincolnshire and hence not much population to draw on? Hence some being operated by migrant workers living out of caravans etc.

The ex once got given a job by the dole at some chicken processing place around liversedge or some other shithole, nearly two hours on the bus and horrible working conditions, she only went for one day. The Job centre always had vacancies like this.

 

[Serge Forward]

ACG comment: The chicken’s come home to roost (but will the Turkeys get a reprieve at Christmas?) - Anarchist Communist Group

Mainly on the situation with lorry drivers but the title fits recent comments on the thread

 

[Pickman's model]

Isn’t part of the problem with the food industry that a lot of these plants are in the middle of nowhere like rural Lincolnshire and hence not much population to draw on? Hence some being operated by migrant workers living out of caravans etc.

The ex once got given a job by the dole at some chicken processing place around liversedge or some other shithole, nearly two hours on the bus and horrible working conditions, she only went for one day. The Job centre always had vacancies like this.

 

[TopCat]

ACG comment: The chicken’s come home to roost (but will the Turkeys get a reprieve at Christmas?) - Anarchist Communist Group

Mainly on the situation with lorry drivers but the title fits recent comments on the thread

A fair enough look at it.

 

[TopCat]

But in the sunny uplands of the EU....

The invisible migrant workers propping up Ireland’s €4bn meat industry

There has been a chronic mistreatment of workers in the country’s meat industry, according to unions

www.theguardian.com

 

[TopCat]

“The only thing they care about is the meat. They don’t care about the people.”

 

[TopCat]

I'm more inclined to welcome tarrifs on EU imports.

 

[Poot]

Strikes me that people have just realised that there's no such thing as migrant workers, nor should there be. Either accept humans from abroad, their families, healthcare, education, from now until they want to leave or decide to stay, or don't. You don't get to have only their labour. Who'd have thought it.

 

[TopCat]

Strikes me that people have just realised that there's no such thing as migrant workers, nor should there be. Either accept humans from abroad, their families, healthcare, education, from now until they want to leave or decide to stay, or don't. You don't get to have only their labour. Who'd have thought it.

So do you support the issuing of short term visas to save christmas (profits)?

 

[ska invita]

Did they run it over?

It was resisting arrest mlud

 

[Pickman's model]

You don't normally find crisps in the freezers.

yeh not the first place i'd look for them

 

[Supine]

So do you support the issuing of short term visas to save christmas (profits)?

Your side made it happen