European Elections 2019

[A380]

I haven’t ever voted anything but Labour since I was 18. Going to vote Green if I can get my hand to agree...

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Probably Scottish Greens.

 

[PursuedByBears]

I haven’t ever voted anything but Labour since I was 18. Going to vote Green if I can get my hand to agree...

Same here!

 

[not a trot]

Not voting as all the songs are shit.

 

[magneze]

I thought that was the Borg. Introducing her as Madonna was quite surprising.

 

[brogdale]

Another single figure Euro polling number for the vermin from ComRes...

 

[SpackleFrog]

Anyone who votes Green even once is fundamentally wrong.

I've toyed tonight with the idea of voting Labour, just because I don't want to fuel stories about how Labour lost votes because they weren't fervent enough about a second referendum. But honestly, what is there for the left to vote for in this election? Nothing.

I would actually vote for the Small Party of Good Boys if they were standing in Yorkshire. Fuck it. That No 2 EU - Yes to Democracy lash up had a shit name but I'd give anything for it right now. It's pathetic, Corbyn is offering nothing. People keep telling me we have to stop the Brexit party, but there's zero positive alternative.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Another single figure Euro polling number for the vermin from ComRes...

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The vermin getting less than 10% will be funny I guess. And the #LunaticTinge failure. But it's small mercies innit.

 

[Nigel]

Thought this might be interesting !
After riots of 2001 incidences around 2010 in Oldham and other Northern Towns & Capitals !

Tommy's entourage being confronted by 'Muslim' 'Pakistani' Asian 'youf' and supporters whilst canvassing in predominantly 'white' working class/underprivileged estate.

 

[redsquirrel]

Anyone who votes Green even once is fundamentally wrong.
I've toyed tonight with the idea of voting Labour, just because I don't want to fuel stories about how Labour lost votes because they weren't fervent enough about a second referendum. But honestly, what is there for the left to vote for in this election? Nothing.

Not bad piece from Gary Young on this, which does highlight the key question If you didn’t desert Labour over the Iraq war, why give up on it over Brexit?

Is Corbyn’s fudge on Brexit worse than Blair’s certainty about invading Iraq? If someone can vote and leaflet for a party that launched an illegal invasion that led to hundreds of thousands of deaths and instability in the region for years to come because they felt that party had a broader purpose, then by what moral yardstick is the party’s position on Brexit too much to bear?

I mean I'm an anarchist, for me electoral politics is a rigged game. But the idea that fucking Brexit is the line in the sand - not the support for privatisation, not the attacks on workers and strikers, not the selling out of the miners, not the murderous foreign policy, not the attacks on the disabled, but a second referendum on the EU - does my fucking head in.

Like you if anything this crap has made me more likely to vote Labour.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

I'm voting for the Labour candidate.

 

[tim]

I'm voting for the Labour candidate.

You can't vote for a candidate, just for a party lost of candidates, (spelling error noted but not corrected because it seemed inappropriate to have done so).

 

[Baronage-Phase]

You can't vote for a candidate, just for a party lost of candidates, (spelling error noted but not corrected because it seemed inappropriate to have done so).

Well I'm not voting for the FF or FG or independents...so I am voting for the Labour candidate in my area...

And what was the spelling mistake?

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Anyone who votes Green even once is fundamentally wrong.

That's interesting. May I ask why?

 

[tim]

Well I'm not voting for the FF or FG or independents...so I am voting for the Labour candidate in my area...

And what was the spelling mistake?

Party list -you get to vote for a party which fields a list of candidates rather than for an individual. Unless, that is you live in Northern Ireland, where you get a Single Transferable Vote.

 

[tim]

That's interesting. May I ask why?

Because they are the Tory Party at Muesli. Lots of nasty volkish sentiments below the surface.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Because they are the Tory Party at Muesli. Lots of nasty volkish sentiments below the surface.

For example? Personally I think environmental issues are of huge concern. What section of society (not necessarily in this country) do you think will suffer the most from climate change? I think they also go further on fighting the arms trade and ending the drug war than other parties - also stuff that affects the poor more than the rich.

 

[tim]

For example? Personally I think environmental issues are of huge concern. What section of society (not necessarily in this country) do you think will suffer the most from climate change? I think they also go further on fighting the arms trade and ending the drug war than other parties - also stuff that affects the poor more than the rich.

The poor won't benefit from rejecting advances in agricultural technology, including GM; they won't benefit from a refusal to build decent sea defences; and they won't benefit from a refusal to countenance the use of nuclear power.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

Party list -you get to vote for a party which fields a list of candidates rather than for an individual. Unless, that is you live in Northern Ireland, where you get a Single Transferable Vote.

I am in Eire. There is only one Labour candidate in the area where I can vote.

 

[tim]

I am in Eire. There is only one Labour candidate in the area where I can vote.

I assumed you were in the UK, not because I'm an arrogant English cunt but because this is thread is in the "UK politics and current affairs" forum.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

The poor won't benefit from rejecting advances in agricultural technology, including GM; they won't benefit from a refusal to build decent sea defences; and they won't benefit from a refusal to countenance the use of nuclear power.

Sea defences, for a lot of people, won't be built in time. In Scotland, it's only the SNP and the greens that will rescue us from Brexit - which is definitely our right, as Scotland didn't vote for it.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

I assumed you were in the UK, not because I'm an arrogant English cunt but because this is thread is in the "UK politics and current affairs" forum.

And I assumed it was a thread about the european elections.
Just was clarifying things...not accusing you of arrogance or cuntishness.

 

[tim]

Sea defences, for a lot of people, won't be built in time. In Scotland, it's only the SNP and the greens that will rescue us from Brexit - which is definitely our right, as Scotland didn't vote for it.

Clearly they can be when needed, the Dutch spent much of the last 500 years reclaiming land that was below sea level with with access to much less technology than we have now.

Better a tartan Tory than a Green Tory.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Not bad piece from Gary Young on this, which does highlight the key question If you didn’t desert Labour over the Iraq war, why give up on it over Brexit?

I mean I'm an anarchist, for me electoral politics is a rigged game. But the idea that fucking Brexit is the line in the sand - not the support for privatisation, not the attacks on workers and strikers, not the selling out of the miners, not the murderous foreign policy, not the attacks on the disabled, but a second referendum on the EU - does my fucking head in.

Like you if anything this crap has made me more likely to vote Labour.

I'm not an anarchist but it's a rigged game for me too. I don't usually vote Labour and Corbyn is the reason I have once or twice. I accept the point about people who weren't put off by Blair or Iraq war but its not really what I meant.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Personally I think environmental issues are of huge concern.

We know, you said here: Why the Green Party is shit

 

[SpackleFrog]

Clearly they can be when needed, the Dutch spent much of the last 500 years reclaiming land that was below sea level with with access to much less technology than we have now.

Better a tartan Tory than a Green Tory.

Much of a muchness really.

 

[Poi E]

Much of a muchness really.

One aims for the destruction of the British state. That is highly laudable.

edit: actually, the Tories and the Brexit Party seem to be aiming for it, too.

 

[tim]

Much of a muchness really.

Mulch of a muchness

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Labour panics as remain voters switch to Liberal Democrats

An interesting piece. Even among remain voters the support for the LDs is below 30%. But Labour strategists - working to deliver ‘socialism without the working class’ - are panicked more by a move away from it by remain vote losses in a London rather than the BP which is racking up what should be labour votes practically everywhere else. Also no mention of Scotland where Labour is now FOURTH in the polls.

This is what happens when you place your strategic eggs in a metropolitan vote possessive of cultural and social capital. It happened to the left in France and it’s now happening here.

 

[Johnny Vodka]

Better a tartan Tory than a Green Tory.

I don't think many SNP voters identify as any sort of Tory.